Posts tagged Donna Mortimer
Posts tagged Donna Mortimer
Recently we exposed a committed English Defence League supporter as a man also dedicated to a loyalist terrorist group, violent intentions towards British Muslims, a fan of guns, Neo Nazi symbolism and well up for issuing online threats of violence. It was a pretty standard English Defence League bingo full house. Coincidentally on the same day I noticed some pretty heavy patronage of a forces ‘charity’ called Troops Relief on the EDL official fan page.
When ever I see the EDL punt a forces charity there is usually a depressingly familiar background to it. From the forces retreat run by a couple charged with racial hatred towards a Muslim guest, to a forces homeless charity investigated for being run by an ex BNP candidate, using BNP owned premises as a BNP front and promoted heavily on BNP web sites. When it comes to charities the EDL never run with the main stream and there is always an angle.
I wasn’t particularly surprised to discover Troops Relief was run by Jo Cleary. I was a bit surprised to see her pop up on Andrew Dymock’s (Andi Qpr Authentique) FACEBOOK profile thread while he raged about the injustice of being exposed as a racist, violent extremist. What a bizarre friend for a charity guru to have? Yeah well, in Jo Cleary’s case, not really.
As the thread continues it is suggested “Lets go and fuck em over. Up the downs, strip em, douse em with petrol then dance around them playing with matches. I’m up for it mate”. At this point
Jo was naturally horrified at her participation and promptly removed Andi from her friends list. Told the poster threatening to find people and set them on fire was very illegal and depraved Removed herself from the thread.
The full thread for Dodge who missed the irony in crossing out Jo’s reactions. They were what she SHOULD have said ;o) she didn’t
Jo Clearly has form for ‘unfortunate associations’ ones which firmly and consistently cement her fate to the extreme right. But, she isn’t a member of the BNP. She can’t be, she’s actually effective at promoting their aims, albeit dishonestly. We need to move forward from the fact her FACEBOOK friends lists holds literally hundreds of vocal BNP and EDL supporters because Jo has NO connections to them.
……They also “know where you live”, and want you to shut up, or face the consequences.
By Acker Bilk
“Not Racist, not violent, but no longer silent” - one of the EDL’s infamously inaccurate slogans. I’m not going to elaborate on the “Not Racist” bit, as frankly that’s been more than adequately covered elsewhere. Also, sadly, “Not violent” doesn’t need a specific mention, as the concept seems to be alien to the EDL– they are steeped in violence, whether it’s violent acts, or as aggressive rhetoric.
So, “No longer silent”. A fine sentiment, and one most people would think is worthy. People should have the right to voice their opinion without fear of reprisals, intimidation, or undue harassment. However, this being the EDL, they’re making the rules up as they go along, and expecting preferential treatment. As the EDL hold their right to free speech so highly, what’s their take on others’ rights to free speech? Let’s not forget that they were formed to prevent demonstrations (no matter what you think of the frankly insane I4UK / MAC, that’s free speech – even if anyone in their right minds should find these clowns offensive), and ‘Tommy’ performed a flying kick at someone practising their right to free speech on Armistice Day. So much for the “Not Violent”.
“Not silent”? Well, Tommy’s been given an inordinate amount of airtime and press coverage for someone who leads what can best be described as a fringe organisation with (let’s not forget this) no official membership figures, and a grand total of zero democratically elected leaders. So the EDL can’t complain they’re not being listened to. Being taken seriously for their beliefs is another matter, but people are listening. Often with their hands over their mouths to either conceal their shock or stifle a giggle. Paxman’s facial expression when he was trying to get ‘Tommy’ to make sense was a case in point.
So, now we’ve established that the EDL have their free speech – at no small cost to the towns where they choose to exercise this right – what about their take on others’ right to free speech? I’ll just get a pre-emptive shot in at this stage. Yes, I know that anyone can set up a facebook profile, and I’m also well aware of “banter”, and “hyperbole”. For anybody unaware of what this blog (and our Facebook page) do, we collect evidence of the EDL and their supporters being racist, and intolerant. That’s pretty much it. We then publish this online. So we’re helping these individuals with their right to free speech. Don’t like “Pakis”? We’ll make sure more people hear your message. Think all Muslims should be killed? We can spread that to a wider audience.
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So what happens when we do this (and by “we”, I don’t just mean the Exposing Admins, but regular contributors and critics, too)? What happens when people have the audacity to question the EDL, or attempt debate? Is there a mature discussion? Maybe a frank exchange, of a robust nature?
Sadly, neither of these things generally happens. Any attempt at engaging with the EDL on “their turf” – Fora, Facebook pages etc, will fairly quickly result in insults, accusations of being either a “Dhimmi”, “Muzzie”, or “Commie”, then a wave of abuse, before you are finally kicked off the Forum (no matter how polite you’ve been), and called a “Troll”. That’s not free speech, that’s barracking and censorship.
So you take your discussion elsewhere. You may end up joining and participating in groups that are critical of the EDL. You get a reputation for being “bolshie”. The next stage is that you’ll find out that your account has been disabled, or the group you joined itself has been disabled. This is a process known as “Mass reporting”, or “Report bombing”. Basically, Facebook and other social networking sites have an automated response, where if enough complaints are received, the offending article (for example a profile) is removed without any investigation. To regain control of your profile, you’ll need to send them a copy of your passport, so if you’re using a pseudonym, you’re screwed. When this happens several times, you’re being harassed (or persecuted if you want to be dramatic) for your views, bizarrely with the tacit approval of Facebook.
If you should persist in confronting the EDL and its supporters, you’ll get threats. Lots of them. These can be quite lurid at times, and upsetting for many who receive them – especially those who have been nothing but polite. Fancy opening a death or rape threat over your breakfast? Most of us don’t, thanks.
If you get really high on EDL supporter’s shit list, they’ll try to track down you and your associate’s real identity and whereabouts. EDL opponent’s addresses, telephone numbers, places of work, and other particulars can be found scattered all around the darker parts of the interwebs, along with veiled (but frequently quite explicit) threats. What exactly is the necessity of telling someone you “know where they live”? That’s intimidation, regardless of whether it comes attached to a direct threat.
But here’s the rub – they’re usually wrong. Often they’re so wrong it’s unbelievable. I’ve never seen a single one of these “outings” that has even been close to 50% correct. So is this a problem, if their intelligence is so faulty? Yes. Given the speed with which information travels across the internet, and the Chinese whispers effect, rumours and outright lies are accepted as unquestionable fact within hours. When that unquestionable fact involves the potential targeting of a complete innocent, we should all be worried for our right to free speech, the safety of innocent people, and for the mentality of the people behind these threats.
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Let’s finish this blog with a Reader’s Digest style “It pays to enrich your word power” All definitions are from the OED online;
Free speech - the right to express any opinions without censorship or restraint.
Intimidation - the action of intimidating someone, or the state of being intimidate
Harassment - aggressive pressure or intimidation
Terrorism - the unofficial or unauthorized use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.
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