English Defence League use social networking to hunt down high school kids
Names, addresses, personal pictures, phone numbers, email addresses, school networks,work details. the obvious question is, what for?
Yet another facebook group has appeared on the scene created by English Defence League supporters. This one created to ‘expose’ the details of so called lefties. Worryingly it posts the personal contact details of high school students including addresses and mobile numbers and is of grave concern. What the fuck is wrong with the English defence league?
"The EDL-BFP lash-up is a new attempt at realignment. It brings together the two elements of a classic fascist organisation – an electoral, suit-wearing BFP wing and the EDL’s army of street thugs – in an open alliance of linked organisations.
The EDL’s announcement was made at a meeting of core activists in Birmingham by EDL leader Stephen Yaxley Lennon (AKA “Tommy Robinson”). Other senior EDL leadership figures, who avoid the limelight, have also pushed the turn to the BFP.
A report posted on both the “British Freedom” and EDL websites says: “The EDL will utilise their divisional structure to support British Freedom.”
Unite, Unison and the TUC said they were taking the prospect of disruption by far-right supporters seriously, and had begun to liaise with police to assess any risk to pickets or those on protest marches. The development follows signs that splinter groups from the English Defence League are broadening their campaign from targeting Muslims to trade unionists and socialist organisations. Members of the EDL have recently been involved in attacks on anti-racist and anti-cuts protesters, as well as attempting to target the Occupy movement which has camped outside St Paul’s Cathedral.
"Liverpool Division English Defence League EDL It now seems the left wing media and its writers at the Guardian are now joining the attack on this division, google “splinter groups target trade union”. We do not support their communist values therefore were racists. We will oppose the left wherever they show their ugly face. We are NOT against the working class, we are against your organisation to quote John Snowy “We have decided to put all our efforts into opposing everything you do regardless of the issue at hand, it’s your organisations we oppose.” He adds: “Every event you hold will be a potential target along with your meetings, fund raisers and social events.” (KH)
'Patriots' react to news Stephen Lennon is leaving EDL for politics
"HA HA HA no surrender eh, Stephen? Who is going to elect a convicted wife beater, football hooligan, coke dealer, assaulter of soldiers, grass? Your mates will all spell X wrong anyway. Go on, fuck off. Get out of my England, no one wants you here, not even the EDL. Good lord, how must that feel? The scum of the land want rid of you. How does Alan Lake feel about this, you turncoat, copper’s nark?"
A Muslim Rangers supporter who chanted sectarian remarks at a game at Ibrox Stadium has been fined £600.
Abdul Rafiq, 41, the only Muslim member of the English Defence League, was arrested at Rangers friendly game with Chelsea on 6 August.
At Glasgow Sheriff Court he pleaded guilty to religiously aggravated breach of the peace by shouting, swearing and uttering sectarian remarks.
Sheriff John McCormick also imposed a five year football banning order
To see EDL Abdul in action: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0kL_URt4uo
English Defence League Mirror Breivik’s words in chilling facebook update.
Part of a statement allegedly made by Anders Breivik in the opening of his court case in Norway has bizarrely been adopted as an English Defence League status update on their official facebook page. The update which literally blew out of the water the EDL insistence that within their movement ‘black and white unite’ addresses identical concerns to the Norwegian terrorist. In Court on Monday, refusing to accept its legitimacy, Breivik has been reported by Norwegian tabloid VG to claim: “You have received your mandate from the organizations that support multiculturalism in Norway. Multiculturalism is an ideology of hatred, which is designed to deconstruct the Norwegian ethnic group. To deconstruct Norwegian ethnic group, is the same as ethnic cleansing.”
We noted with concern that the EDL update was something you could place next to a pre war Hitler with seamless ease but to see such blatant similarity in rhetoric between Stephen Lennon’s movement and a mass murderer is alarming. Were they aware Breivek had only days previously made exactly the same claims or are they not even aware of how close in ideological terms they are to the man? Stephen Lennon has already stated he understands why Breivik did what he did, adding:
“We share some of his opinions, and his fear, but not what he did in Norway 22 July. I do not think he is insane. I think that his approach was insane.” “Breivik dared to come forward with his opinions, and was tough, in some regards. People need to understand that Breivik is not alone in these feelings.”
Really, what I would have liked, no expected from a leader of an organisation followed by mostly disenfranchised, angry young men would be an absolute, categorical condemnation of Breivik. Nothing less. Stephen however has always flirted with the radicalisation of the movement while resenting any accusations of extremism. Recently we noted an update from a young EDL supporter who, after observing what he assumed to be Muslims on a bus felt like ‘getting a nail gun out on the cunts’ … here he is pictured with Tommy. http://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=263632857022863&set=o.174993392556452&type=1&theater
So there are very fragile individuals in the EDL attending demonstrations, socialising with Stephen Lennon and reading every update the English Defence League post on their official fan page. 18 thousand people were given the views of a man who shot children at point blank range under the guise of the EDL. If they knew they were saying exactly the same thing as him they should be proscribed and if they didn’t, they definitely should be.
I’m not even going to start on the blatant white supremacism of the update, I have added a link to a blog which covers that nicely.
“freedom of expression is a privilege not a right. With that privilege comes responsibility”
"In the last 66 years we as a nation, as a race have had our national identity stolen from us by politicians who have forced us to accept multiculturalism. They have and still are practicing cultural genocide on their own people, despite warnings that we will not accept it."
“English Defence League EDL
We are appealing directly to the anarchtits, socialtits, lefttits, anti capitaltits and any other social misfit camped outside St Paul`s Cathedral, while we have observed your peaceful right to protest while taking the piss out of our religon, we feel that you have crossed the line by “spraying baby killers” on the RBL Poppy Stall and even stopping this sundays rememberence service there. We ask you to respect the wishes of the people and disperse by 12am Friday morning. Our government may be too weak to deal with you, but these are our streets and We Are The People.”—http://www.facebook.com/EDL.EnglishDefenceLeague.NS?sk=wall
I think it is fair to say that the EDL is economically part of the 99% and ideologically part of the 1%. This is because despite being mostly working class they despise working class movements such as trade unions, the labour movement and all forms of socialism: when EDL supporters mention their work, it tends to be in the building trade as self-employed or otherwise non-unionised. The first thing to be aware of is that in the EDL’s world there are only two political poles. On the one side you have the EDL and similar nationalist groups: the ‘goodies’. On the other side you have the Left and Muslims. In general terms it is possible to have a civil conversation with an EDL supporter as long as the topic isn’t about Islam or related issues. On this matter they tend to have very rigid views that have been formed by the tabloid press, YouTube, Islamophobic websites and speeches made by their leaders. Logic and rational argument are almost utterly useless at winning them over, because they will either claim that they’ve won in the face of all common sense, or that you’re a lying communist and appeaser of Islam. Below is a standard rule of thumb generalisation of the EDL’s world view.
Nationalists according to the EDL
The EDL will refer to themselves as nationalists, and patriots. Anyone who doesn’t agree with them is not a patriot and is an anti-British traitor: that is a non-negotiable fact. The EDL are the “fastest growing and greatest street movement Britain has ever seen” (larger movements don’t count, see below), with 100,000 supporters on Facebook and therefore in reality tens of millions of supporters, in fact most of the UK population (in reality probably in the low thousands). This is merely a single example of this claim: http://imageshack.us/f/716/theedlarethegreateststr.jpg/. Their leader Stephen Lennon (AKA Tommy Robinson) has said the same on numerous occasions. The EDL is capable of putting 6-10,000 protestors on the street (in reality 1-2,000) and in doing so prevents Islamic terrorist attacks, of which there have been none since the EDL was formed so therefore that must be true. The only reason the EDL has never put all 100,000 supporters on the street is because most are too scared to come out (that is the EDL’s actual excuse).
The EDL are also England/the UK’s last line of defence as all the soldiers are out in Afghanistan, without the EDL the UK would be an Islamic country by now, and are the only people who stand up for the memory of our dead soldiers. They defend against the erosion of British culture by Islam by protesting against KFC’s decision to go halal (with absolutely no hint of irony!). Their demonstrations also wake up the British public to the threat of Islamic extremism by making them aware of the 9/11 and 7/7 attacks, as well as any criminal activities involving Muslims the EDL read about in the tabloids. To demonstrate their patriotism it is common for EDL supporters to publicly announce that they eat a lot of bacon and pork. Some of them have even had photos taken of themselves carrying pigs’ heads and one in particular was in the habit of putting ‘oink, oink’ after everything he wrote on Facebook. On several occasions EDL supporters have discussed covering themselves in bacon at demonstrations and throwing pork sausages to frighten away Muslims because, as everyone knows, pork and bacon are like kryptonite to Muslims. The EDL are genuinely convinced, due to Internet myths, that placing a pig’s head on a mosque or at the site of a proposed mosque will render it unusable to Muslims. The consumption of pig flesh seems to hold a ritualistic symbolism and is considered to repel all things Islamic. Like eating pig flesh, the consumption of beer is also considered to make one truly British, because of course only Muslims don’t drink alcohol or eat pig flesh and the EDL say there’s no such thing as a British Muslim. EDL supporters have suggested full English breakfasts with bacon should be compulsory by law and all people entering Britain should be made to eat pork. The EDL tend to follow parties such as UKIP and the English Democrats. A great many also support the BNP and will more readily admit to this now than before when their fellow EDL supporters would criticise them for openly admitting this, due to the EDL’s official stance of not being connected to the BNP.
The ‘Left’ according to the EDL
The Left is composed of Labour, the Conservatives, Lib Dems and minor parties such as Respect. Labour are considered far-Left and Marxist, with the Conservatives and Lib Dems variously thought of as socialists or also Marxist. http://imageshack.us/f/718/thetoriesareleftwing.jpg/
The terms ‘liberal’ and ‘Marxist’ are used interchangeably, with anarchists and Marxists considered to be the same as well. The Left is also referred to as fascist, so you may have a ‘liberal fascist’ or a ‘Marxist fascist’. Hitler and the Nazis were also ‘socialists’ due to the belief that National Socialism is indeed a form of socialism (regardless of the fact that the Nazis’ first victims were socialists).
Unite Against Fascism are considered to be the paramilitary wing of the Labour Party who violently attack patriots and nationalists and are funded through public taxation, regardless of which political party is in power (the EDL got this belief from the BNP). Any protest movement that involves anti-capitalism, anti-war, anarchism, environmentalism, human rights or opposes job cuts is considered to be a front for Unite Against Fascism. The UAF are trying to destroy Britain, have sided with Islam and spit on homecoming troops (none of which is true in reality), so they all deserve to be severely beaten or die horribly. UK Uncut, the demonstrations against student tuition fee rises, the Dale Farm occupation and Occupy are all considered to be UAF front organisations. All these mass-protest groups are troublemakers trying to upset the status quo (and possibly have a communist revolution) who should accept that cuts have to be made, stop making a fuss and should protest about the real threat to the future of the UK: Islamic extremism. They do not count as street movements. The reason for this is a bit of a mystery and is never explained, although it may be down to them not being considered ‘genuine’ in some way by the EDL, as in they’re merely ‘lefties’ causing trouble. http://imageshack.us/f/268/theedlisthefastestgrowi.jpg/
Trade unions and public sector workers protesting are just upset because the gravy train has run out and they are no longer getting paid fortunes from the public purse, which of course the EDL find funny. As trade unionists are communists and anti-British it is therefore acceptable for the EDL to counter-demonstrate against them alongside the BNP and NF (which they have done). In any case it is largely accepted by the EDL that Britain’s poverty is the fault of immigrants, Muslims especially, burdening the country as well as overseas aid. Banks are accepted as part of the problem, but not as much as immigrants; and the EDL aren’t vocal whatsoever in their criticism of banks, but in fact consider people who do protest against them to be ‘commie traitors’. This is all the fault of socialism as we have a socialist economy, which is why we have so many immigrants – socialism seeks to destroy nations through mass immigration – and why the economy is failing – because socialist economies always fail, like the USSR for example. The EU is a socialist economic bloc that is trying to unify all the European countries into one communist country, the EUSSR, which will mean more Poles will come in and take all the British jobs.
All anti-capitalists are anarchists and therefore anti-fascists, which means they oppose the EDL and are thus traitors. Because Winston Churchill once said (he didn’t in reality) that “The fascists of the future will be called anti-fascists”, all anti-fascists are fascists and to oppose the EDL makes one a fascist. Also because the EDL oppose Islam, to oppose the EDL means you support paedophilia, rape gangs, homophobia, anti-Semitism and the oppression of women (see below).
Muslims according to the EDL
Muslims all hate Britain, are all on benefits, aren’t British and all come from backward Third World hell-holes: in one case someone believed Brazil to be a Muslim country: http://imageshack.us/f/444/brazilisamuslimcountry.png/. Some EDL supporters are of the opinion that Muslims come from a land called Islam or that there are two groups called Muslims and ‘Islams’. The average EDL supporter however is aware that Pakistan, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia and Turkey are all majority Muslim countries and therefore laugh when they get hit by floods or earthquakes that kill lots of the ‘Pakis’ who live in those countries. Despite Japan being accepted as not being Muslim by the EDL, they found it funny when it was hit by the earthquake earlier this year, some suggesting they send them dogs to eat. Conversely they were very sympathetic to the Australians when they were hit by floods, the reason why they were sympathetic in this instance but not in the others doesn’t require much imagination.
The EDL solution to Muslim countries is to nuke them, typical examples being a desire to nuke Mecca or to withdraw the troops from Afghanistan and nuke the whole country. There are now more mosques than churches in the UK (obviously there aren’t) and you can’t build a church in a Muslim country like Pakistan (you can in fact). Muslims are all evil liars and want to take over the world, using Taqiyya to further the spread of Islam (Taqiyya doesn’t actually mean that). The EDL say they are a mad Stone Age cult who follow a moon god called Allah and a genocidal paedophile warlord called Mohammed, although to many EDL supporters they were one in the same as Allah is also called a paedophile and Mohammed is referred to as being the Muslim god. According to the EDL they all stink, won’t integrate and are vermin, hence the EDL’s name for them ‘muzrats’. Islam will supposedly take over Britain in the next 10 to 20 years through out-breeding the native population by a factor of 8 children each to 1.3 children each: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BXxvy4NOXM.
Rape, paedophilia, female genital mutilation, bestiality, the murder of all non-Muslims, men rubbing their penises on children’s thighs and Muslims being forbidden to be friends with Jews and Christians, are all in the Koran and other Muslim holy books (not actually true). Islam is a form of Nazism and Muslims are all Nazis (this is a common claim by the EDL), in fact they believe themselves to be a Master Race (EDL leader Stephen Lennon claimed this). It is not racist to insult Muslims as Islam is not a race (a standard EDL retort), however Islam is very racist towards non-Muslims; so therefore Muslims can be racist towards non-Muslims. Although EDL supporters accept that a Muslim can be of any race (in order to claim that anti-Muslim insults aren’t racist), white Muslims are classed as traitors, despite ‘white’ and ‘Muslim’ being also used exclusively, such as when Stephen Lennon/Tommy Robinson recently claimed there were three races in Birmingham: black, white and Muslim. EDL supporters claim they can tell who is a Muslim by sight, especially if they get into a fight with one, and usually hold the opinion that they should all go back to the desert where they came from in Pakistan (sometimes Arabia). Muslims all hate Royal British Legion poppies, which is why Muslims Against Crusades burnt one. Islam in Britain is represented by the group that goes by two names: Muslims Against Crusades and the Muslim Defence League. Most Muslims support terrorism according to the EDL and most paedophiles are Muslims, with many huge gangs grooming white girls.
The EDL’s belief in an apocalyptic civil war in the near future
At the point when Muslims are in the majority there will be a long-awaited civil war between Islam and the EDL, which many in the EDL are preparing for (exactly what Anders Breivik was trying to start). As infidels (an infidel is actually a non-Christian) the EDL are therefore the mortal and greatest enemy of Islam. Conversely Islam is the greatest threat Britain has ever faced, worse than Hitler, but are being aided by ‘dhimmis’ (an Islamophobic equivalent of a quisling) who take the form of the Left: which includes the Government, police, the courts, practically all the media (the BBC especially and even the Daily Mail!) and anyone who doesn’t like the EDL or punishes them ‘unfairly’ for their ‘patriotism’. https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/297200_178850168867381_100002271965535_385636_2017202835_n.jpg
Once the civil war begins there are two results the EDL consider. In victory all the Muslims will be exterminated or forced to leave Britain and the Left will all be hung as traitors, because to oppose the EDL is to hate Britain and thus you are a traitor. In the event of the nationalists and ‘patriots’ losing in what can only be described as a sort of Wagnerian Götterdämmerung, England/Britain will be destroyed by the Left and Islam. However as the Left are all fornicating, drug-addled hippies and Muslims are all total puritans, there will then follow a war between them in which Islam will exterminate the Left. Europe in general is going to become majority Muslim with the next two decades: a video on YouTube says so. Currently Israel is holding back the Islamic hordes that will pour into Europe unless Israel is supported. To criticise Israel is to be an anti-Semite, because all real Jews are Zionists, although a fair few EDL supporters consider Jews to be part of the same problem as Muslims anyway.
Liverpool Division English Defence League EDL UAF and AF, Trespass on your land your businesses and your homes, their leadership hit young boys, they attack the future King of England and his wife, they desecrate the statue of the saviour of Britain Sir Winston Churchill, they destroy the Capital of our Nation, they support murderers, child rapists and killers and they support benefit abusers all in the name of Anti Fascism.
Who are the real Fascists here, Nationalists and proud Britain’s or the violent vandals of the UAF and Anti Fascists. Like · · Share · 19 October at 08:19 via Mobile · 2 people like this. 1 share
Mark O’neill muslim attack twin towers trains and buses and they want to exterminate all homosexuals and the uaf kiss their arses and defend them so how does that give them the moral high ground vicky ?? 20 October at 17:46 · Like
Liverpool Division English Defence League EDL So when the EDL and other Nationalists organisations are gone and its only the Left wing and Muslims left you will and can only follow in our footsteps. The left support homosexuality yet its against muslim law, the left have sex out of marriage which is against muslim law, the left gamble which is against muslim law, the left drink alcohol which IS AGAINST MUSLIM LAW and Religion. Your views are contradictory. And your two sides will clash after were gone. FACT. 21 October at 05:54 · Like
Activists are supporting the Travellers in defending their homes and community. There?s many different ways of getting involved ? we need medics, legal observers, site defenders, cooks, etc.. More people are needed on all fronts.” - see the website for all info about how to get involved, donate & support.
It seems as if the “Antifascists” have total disregard for the law and the trespassing. Mind you that’s all they seem to do at their protests, break, bend and abuse the law. Like · · Share · 18 October at 14:49 via Mobile ·
Liverpool Division English Defence League EDL UAF and AF “activists” yesterday at Dale Farm urinated and attacked police with rocks, concrete, wooden bats and metal bars. They activists also threatened the police with terror like attacks via grenades. Superintendent Trevor Roe of Essex Police said “the majority of the violence was caused by the protesters”
Attacking police is disgraceful, these are the same men and women that will come to your aid in your hour of need. UAF and there AF “activist” friends disgust me. Like · · Share · 20 October at 09:27 via Mobile · 5 people like this.
Mark O’neill dirty vile little bastards hand them a good prison sentence stop thier benefits 20 October at 09:29 · Like · 1 person
Joseph Christian Bloggs EXECUTE THEM! 20 October at 10:22 · Like · 1 person
Liverpool Division English Defence League EDL Notice the A sally. Your lot attacked 300 police officers and were the main violent entity at yesterdays eviction. What happened with TOMMY was a spare of the moment incident, the left wing anarchy was pre planned and promoted. 20 October at 11:49 · Like
Liverpool Division English Defence League EDL If its any consolation Sally, if you ever fancy a bit off rough let me know. We can put our political beliefs to one side and be “passionate” 20 October at 11:53 · Like
Mark O’neill sally slap knickers needs a good shower first 20 October at 11:55 · Like · 1 person
Mark O’neill who supports tommy sands the luton hunger striker ??? 20 October at 15:49 · Like
Mark O’neill with the close links beteen libya and the ira i suppose tommy and kev are going to gadaffis funeral 20 October at 18:06 · Like · 1 person
Richard Brophy Assaulting the police is illegal, therefore if you support anybody who does that you support crime. 20 October at 22:15 · Like
Liverpool Division English Defence League EDL Richard the left don’t support crime they promote. They shadow behind the name “activists” when they all know their anarchists and out to cause as much degrading and violent trouble as possible. Sally, you keep listening to your stories that have been twisted down the line before they get to you. With your failure to make a factual comment you have just shown us your very low in the pecking order and therefore I must withdraw my offer of some funky time. 21 October at 05:35 · Like
Liverpool Division English Defence League EDL The stories you hear are hyped up propaganda to send down the ranks. Did you see the video of your very own UAF Liverpool leader striking a 15 year old. Its nice to know that you support child abuse, just another line to your complicated and contradictory web. 21 October at 05:37 · Like
Liverpool Division English Defence League EDL We here at the Liverpool Division like to have evidence of our claims and that video cemented it. 21 October at 05:38 · Like
Liverpool Division English Defence League EDL So pissing on Police is ok with you lot of fucking scruffs then! Take fucking notice that we don’t delete your comments and ban you here like your pages do us in an attempt to hide the truth!! Eveyfucking time the scruffy cunts admins on your pages are proved wrong we get deleted, we don’t do that here were never wrong. Pissing on police, throwing concrete and threatening them with grenades is justified if your an “anti fascist” 22 October at 20:31 · Like
Liverpool Division English Defence League EDL Dale Farm Gysys’s and the friends (anti fascists and uaf) have threatened to hurl grenades at bailiffs if they try to enter the site. Bailiffs, people simply doing their job threatened with grenades. Disgraceful. Like · · Share · 19 October at 09:34 via Mobile · 2 people like this.
Mark O’neill big prison sentences should be handed out to the said offenders its time these scum realise they are responsible for thier actions 19 October at 09:57 · Like · 1 person
Mark O’neill heres hoping alot of uaf get twated and hurt today fingers crossed 19 October at 10:36 · Like
Liverpool Division English Defence League EDL Apparently the news shows them all getting hit with batons and taserd. Welcome to our world. 19 October at 12:01 · Like
Mark O’neill the reason the police are leading it and not the baliffs is because of the uaf so they deserve everything they get 19 October at 12:12 · Like · 1 person
Simon Butler Now why don’t the police and council start to evicted the illegall immigrants living in garages and sheds in peoples back gardens in southall . I’ll tell ya why they won’t coz they would rather turn a blind eye than upset somebody who should not be here ! 19 October at 15:59 · Like · 1 person
Simon Butler Also the illegall mosque on waterloo road blackpool ! 19 October at 16:19 · Like
Andy Jackson well said simon and if cameron wants to make cut backs why dont he make cut backs to the housing grants he gives the fucking muzzis and build there fucking mansions, no he wont he would sooner make our heros suffer and make cut backs on there pensions 19 October at 18:38 · Like
Liverpool Division English Defence League EDL 42 million pound was sent from our coffers for children living abroad last year. That’s 42 million we all paid for gone. And they wonder why we have nothing left in our coffers. 20 October at 05:34 · Like
Andy Jackson let our own country go down as well as the people and families BLAIRS destroyed or av u forget about them, 20 October at 16:11 · Like
Andy Jackson u wanna think about the people who lost everything cos of the FLP party TONY BLAIR needs to be brought tp justice, he run politics like a private business, while took everthing off a lot of working class OK VICKY 20 October at 16:16 · Like
Liverpool Division English Defence League EDL Blair walked away a very rich man. 21 October at 05:41 · Like
Andy Jackson no not forgot the thatcher years, but it wa TONY BLAIR is a fraued he promist all them british people he wa going to solve the housing problems, but wa planning to bring all them inigrants in, he said he wa gunna spend all the money on putting more ploice on the beet, He did that because he knew we needed them cos of the amount of inigrants he had planed to bring in, British people in the recession lost there homes, while he wa housing them, he drove allot of british people into povertie after all them years of hard work building better lives there selves, an he took it all away, while all this wa happening he releast millions of pounds into musslim communaties to build there houses bigger, while he took everthing of his own people, an while you call the EDL laughable an shaming them you wanna think of them soldiers wifes, mothers, brothers, and farthers who march with the EDL, soldiers what fourght in afgan, iraq,you r scum to judge them calling them av you stopped and thourght y would soldiers march agaist islam they ve seen more of a reason than you, 21 October at 13:52 · Like
UAF Hunting Club to any people on here who are members of the UNITE union, I think you need to get back onto your reps and demand to know why they think it is ok to stand up for blackpools peadophile scum, UNITE against fascism??? UNITE with peadophiles more like!! 12 hours ago · 13 people like this.
Kate Angel England they are - and always will be, a disgrace!! The uaf should be ashamed of themselves…what if it was one of their children that was missing…what if it had been one of their children instead of Charlene???? …left-wing idiots!!! 12 hours ago
UAF Hunting Club thats whats winds me up the most the one and only demo they shouldn’t counter and they are there even the mdl are not directly countering the demo they will be in blackpool but not on sea front 12 hours ago
Doctored photo of anti-cuts demonstrator and trade union leader Alec McFadden. The photo was doctored to make it look as if he was protesting against troops. He was accused of being a member of Unite Against Fascism (UAF) and threatened with death. His name has previously been put on Redwatch and he is an existing target of the far-Right.
The doctored image contrasted with photos of the genuine placard.
Liverpool Division English Defence League EDL This is a prime example of the bookshops total disregard of the Law of the land and their enjoyment of intimidation.
News From Nowhere Radical & Community Bookshop We’ve just heard by phone that Liverpool UK Uncut have occupied the Top Shop in L1. The police have stepped back and are allowing the L1 Red Coats, private security, to man-handle the demonstrators out of the store. 07 June · ￼4 · Like · 16 comments · Remove
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Liverpool Division English Defence League EDL The security at L1 had to physically remove UK UNCUT as their members were intimidating shoppers, some with children and the staff within the store 18 October at 15:05 · Like
Mark O’neill fuckin scum total braindead bastards 18 October at 15:23 · Like · 1 person
John Paul when was dis lad an reckon united building s on meself let do it see do dey like it but we will chase dem out der building 21 October at 14:41 · Like
Liverpool Division English Defence League EDL Why is it the so called Antifascits want to run around smashing up our towns and citys. This so called “occupy” event around the country has turned violent and there are ugly scenes in the press! When we do a demo, do you see us smashing up banks and shops… We get called thugs and racists yet the future Dr’s, Lawyers or Teachers of this country who get thousands of tax payers money each year see fit to smash up our streets. Our demo’s get banned our lads and girls get s27’s and dispersion orders, FOR WHAT. Like · · Share · 17 October at 09:22 via Mobile ·
Liverpool Division English Defence League EDL Islamic barbarity that this country and our people will have to face. To these people its totally normal to store the body of a murdered Dictator in a freezer and charge people to look at him.
Left wing activists are also causing outrage in this country’s capital by staging the Occupy London event. There are happy couples having to cancel their special day due to these protesters, loosing thousands of pounds in the process.
Well done to the Muslims and well done to the left wing activists including UAF members. Your making your people proud. Like · · Share · 22 October at 09:55 via Mobile · 3 people like this.
Liverpool Division English Defence League EDL Occupy Liverpool is this Saturday, the city centre will be full of lefty fascists. if you can make it to Liverpool get in touch. Like · · 13 October at 14:17 ·
Robert Parfitt I can make it. 13 October at 14:37 · Like
John Paul we alreadi done dat mat we need numbas an 4 dis bollocks am out till lpool get numbas up its bollocks all keyboard faggits its the same faces everywhere we goo its a shame 14 October at 10:43 · Like
Additionally a riot that derived from a police operation to remove squatters in Stokes Croft in Bristol on 21st April 2011 and that led to damage to a nearby Tesco’s, was blamed on the UAF by the EDL.
Following an attack on the Occupy camp in Newcastle in the early hours of this morning (30/10/2011), believed to be the actions of the EDL or one of their splinter groups, one of their supporters was asked about it.
So there you have it. Above I said that the EDL class all anti-capitalist movements as “communists” and “it is largely accepted by the EDL that Britain’s poverty is the fault of immigrants”. This is a perfect example.
EDL Jewish Division drop leader in the crap (again)
Not the new official Jewish division. The other one, the one that got dropped for being psychopathic, not the new one run by a guy in freaking CANADA, the one who escorts Stephen Lennon to demonstrations and dress him as a Rabbi like a witless doll. It’s confusing but that’s not our fault, we aren’t the cartoon characters that run the EDL we just laugh at it. Its the one with ROBERTA in anyway.
“Lennon denied assault and claimed during his speech he had harangued another man, also called Alan, an Alan Smith, from Newcastle, who was a member of an EDL splinter group, the North East Infidels, intent on causing trouble.
The court heard from two police officers, Pc Paul Green and Pc Andrew Sumner, who told the court they were on hand when the incident happened. Both maintained they clearly saw Lennon headbutt Mr McKee.
After a day-long trial District Judge Peter Ward said he believed the police officers and convicted Lennon of common assault. Sentencing was adjourned until November 3 when police will apply for a criminal Asbo (Anti-social behaviour order) to prevent Lennon attending EDL rallies.
Outside court, Lennon said: “It’s a fit-up. They are fabricating evidence. I have had ongoing harassment. All this is about getting an Asbo that will ban me from demonstrations and protests. It is meant to be a democracy but this is a stitch-up.”
ORLY? No I don’t think so Stephen, I think you lost your temper and did it and you must tell your Jewish division you are denying guilt and appealing your conviction because they haven’t had the party line memo. “The man he head butted was a Neo Nazi any way, and he DESERVED to be head butted”.
If Stephen had been arrested for inciting racial and religious hatred, that, at least would have been a half assed strategic plan but no, he nutted some one (one of their own) because he’s a short tempered, not very bright, football hooligan and the EDL is his personal version of mafia wars or summat. And that’s the best the EDLs got. PPffffft I found a comment on a newspaper article which summed up the leadership farce which I liked:
“It seems violence and thuggery on our streets is OK as long as it agrees with your prejudices.
What is telling is that EDL supporters do not criticise their Leader’s behaviour in this case but seek to justify it. To EDL supporters this sort of behaviour is clearly well within the bounds of acceptability.”
EDL leader is a political prisoner after being arrested following peaceful protest, my arse.
Following an EDL demo in Blackburn EDL “leader Stephen yaxley Tommy Lennon Robinson was arrested. He was released on bail with conditions that included MR Yaxley Robinson Lennon not taking part in any EDL demo’s. He broke this condition and was therefore remanded in custody for a whole week. The EDL have said that he is a political prisoner, even comparing him to Ghandi, and have stated that he went to prison for demonstrating, which they claim is his human right. The facts of the day appear to somewhat differ from this. During the demo Stephen Tommy took to the stage, he spotted a man in the crowd and started to single him out, the crowd were incited to turn on him. Nice going with the peaceful Tommy. http://www.youtube.com/user/TheExposeTube?blend=7&ob=5#p/u/15/l0SktIenWEo Events that followed are unclear but there is much evidence that the EDL fought amongst themselves and that Tommy Robinson head butted a man, the wrong man. The man it seems he nutted was an ex army veteran. Nice work Yaxley Robinson Lennon. There was a mass bundle betweent the “luton boys” and the “NWI” http://twitpic.com/4gnjr9 and there were several arrests. “Tommy” was arrested a few days later. Eye witness account :http://www.twitpic.com/4g4ccxNo doubt the facts will come out in court but there is certainly enough evidence that the glorious leader of the “peaceful” EDL, incited violencehttp://www.twitpic.com/4gmt5e and hatred and seemingly nutted a guy.http://www.twitpic.com/4g6wri/ full He was certainly involved in a brawl. So my question is, dear EDL, How does this make your man a political prisoner? Shouldn’t violent extremists be investigated and charged for apparently breaking our laws or is it one rule for us and another for you? http://www.twitpic.com/4g3vk9
Stephen Lennon lies to foreign media in articulate interview shocker.
Prison must have served him well, a week off the charlie, PORK and lager has resulted in a Stephen Lennon hitting the Canadian airwaves coherently. Hallefuckingluiah, some “likely lad” with a string of convictions, who claims to speak on behalf of ordinary British people finally cobbled together a bit of media training and stayed straight long enough to string a sentence together. He represents the British working class, he knows the every day lives and challenges of millions of Britons, we know this, as he touchingly shared in past interviews his struggles to transfer £160, 000 of assets between business accounts. Pisses me off a treat when that happens.
I enjoyed Stephen’s interview with Michael Coren, it didn’t grate on me that a man with several honorary doctorates was pandering to Stephen’s desire to be called by his alter ego super hero football hooligan name. For probably the first time ever, I could listen to Stephen’s delivery without wincing myself in to a migraine and there were occasions when I thought ‘holy shit, the man might actually be in a position to not only present an argument but listen to another individual long enough to give a relevant response’ and then he lied. A fucking whopper and I laughed (mostly at myself for sitting there with my head propped up by my hand at my desk thinking the EDL might be interesting again). I don’t ever expect to agree with a word the English Defence League say, as Roberta Moore told a no mark journo once, the British can be tolerance extremists (wat?) and that must explain my inability to understand them. Either that or their systematic persecution of a section of my society and spiraling convictions for violence. Over the last two years of following them , there is no low I haven’t witnessed from team EDL but, I am at a point where I am figuring there is not much left for them to get a massive kicking over, at some point there cannot be any more mistakes to learn from, logic states they have to improve, they are working from a flatline position.
“Lies, damn lies and statistics” - Enoch Powell*.
“But when you see government statistics such as 37% want Shariah law, that’s not a small number that’s 1.4 million Muslims in this country. That’s a problem”.
Well, that does sound like a problem if you:
a) Accept they are government statistics (they are not, they are results from a poll commissioned on behalf of the Sunday Telegraph. A news paper poll recently showed 98% of British people supported the English Defence league, ORLY? Even the EDL don’t buy that one. You can’t justify the systematic persecution of a faith group on a newspaper poll. really.
b) Conveniently forget the 63% that presumably don’t want Sharia law and
c) Perceive Shariah Law to be something the vast majority of British Muslims do not.
“The apparent invasion of Shariah law has been more pronounced in Europe. England has become the main field of confrontation over this issue. Differing polls and surveys have shown that up to 40 percent of British Muslims supposedly want the introduction of Shariah law in the country, while 41 percent opposed it and 19 percent were undecided. These figures, elicited by London’s Sunday Telegraph in 2006, were not definitive. The potential opposition of 60 percent of British Muslims to introduction of Shariah was left unaddressed.
More important, the Sunday Telegraph's description of Shariah was vague and appeared deliberately alarmist. No distinction was made in the reportage between Shariah as religious law involving the personal matters of Muslim observance, such as diet, form of prayer, charity, male circumcision, and burial—which is how most Muslims in the West view Shariah—and what the newspaper described as follows: “Islamic law is used in large parts of the Middle East, including Iran and Saudi Arabia, and is enforced by religious police. Special courts can hand down harsh punishments which can include stoning and amputation.” The British non-Muslim public was left with the strong impression that nearly half of British Muslims sought the introduction of stoning and amputation as punishments in the country, with the threat that such would be applied to non-Muslims.”
You can prove anything with statistics, up to 60% of British Muslims support Shariah law in the UK assuming it does not and cannot supersede British Law, Stephen could use that stat if he dropped the boring inconvenient bit which makes British Muslims just human beings and not as he likes to refer to them as, an ‘infestation’.
“Stephen Lennon is a pathological liar” – Winston Churchill.
But that’s not the Stephen Lennon lie that made me *headdesk* this is:
“The Luton Islamic centre used to be a synagogue until they smashed it to pieces” (12:58)
They did? No, they didn’t.
“Luton Hebrew Congregation numbers around 75 families, with, on average, 15 men attending Shabbat services in a rented hall in the Limbury area, near the town centre.
Services previously took place at the Bury Park Road Synagogue, but the building was sold and converted into an Islamic centre after the area became predominantly Bangladeshi and Pakistani.
Around 27,000 of its 184,000 residents are now Muslim”.
So Stephen was in a position to talk about genuine and concerning anti-Semitism in Luton on Canadian television, (something he apparently now seems to have great first hand experience off) and he blew it by plucking a massive fuck off whopper about Muslims destroying a Synagogue and claiming the building as their own out of his head and pitching it at Michael Coren.
And that’s why the EDL will never happen.
They are incapable of the fundamentals: integrity and truth. If Stephen can invent the destruction of a synagogue, what else can he bullshit about? So far he’s on his third name. I don’t give a rat’s ass what he has to say about Islamism, so-called-moderate-muslims, nazi infiltrators or multiculturaisml because the man is a fucking liar and I don’t have to believe a single word he says. If I want to know about any of these pressing issues I’ll post on google answers, a bored, stoned 13 year old would be more reliable. Mr Coren hopes Stephen Lennon returns to his show, he must be mental to waste is own credibility and time. If Stephen continues on his half assed jackanory trajectory he’ll be hard pressed to get an interview from his mum.
The property was fire bombed by the way, but that was when it was a MOSQUE.
As EDL supporters hear of the news their leader has been remanded for breaking the law (again) and has gone on hunger strike, they react in a touching display of online solidarity. When Stephen Lennon”s daughters are old enough to read they are going to die of shame at his antics. self indulgent, Bullshit batshit ideas are brief, blogs about them last forever.
EDL Leader: "Breivik dared to come forward with his opinions"
"When asked about Breivik, EDL leader Tommy Robinson said, "We share some of his opinions, and his fear, but not what he did in Norway 22 July. I do not think he is insane. I think that his approach was insane.”
“Breivik dared to come forward with his opinions, and was tough, in some regards. People need to understand that Breivik is not alone in these feelings.”
So to summarise yesterday - The EDL had spent nearly 6 months planning on coming to Tower Hamlets for ‘The Big One’ into ‘the heart of militant Islam’ ‘the lion’s den’.
Six months of riling up their followers with lies about Tower Hamlets for an event they claimed that “the last two years of demonstrations could arguably have been dress rehearsals for this one.”
“We go where we want & when we want, so lets show our strength in numbers & unity”
The Home Secretary banned the march, but allowed a static protest.
The day before the event, they still had no idea where they were going to be. The night before the event, they still hadn’t managed the logistics of transport, parking, catering or where they would be directed. Even individuals who were driving, didn’t seem capable of opening a map, or calculating where they would park for ‘The Big One’.
The EDL claimed they would be holding their static protest in Sainsburys carpark in Whitechapel.
Sainsburys said abso fucking lutely not.
Divisions had to cancel coaches due to lack of interest. Oxford claimed they’d had their tires slashed on the way there. The EDL managed to muster 1000-1100 of it’s followers on the day. Out of an organisation which claims 100K members.
All the pubs they planned to drink in refused them and actually closed, losing money, rather than serve the EDL. Only the shittiest, sleaziest strip joint in Kings Cross kept their doors open.
99% of them came from outside London, not knowing a jot about the area, the people, the geography. All they knew was what the EDL Leadership and each other told them, which so far was nothing but lies about the area and nothing about the actual day.
They believed that long standing on-going tube repairs were happening ‘on purpose’ to prevent the EDL from reaching their destination.
RMT said they would close the stations on health and safety grounds. Both Kings Cross and Liverpool Street were closed for a time. To get them to the protest location, the underground allowed the police to escort them, whilst preventing the public from using the trains.
When the EDL had stopped setting people on fire, and had been drinking for approximately 4 hours, the police guided the EDL to Aldgate – not in Tower Hamlets, but in the City of London and set up an area for them to congregate.
In the meantime, as of 10am, Tower Hamlets was filled with people of all colours, religious, political persuasions, activists, residents, Londoners and others numbering 1500 (more than the EDL) who were mingling, dancing, waiting for the EDL.
Tommy turns up at his EDL meeting point NOT IN TOWER HAMLETS, on the arm of Roberta Moore, who it had been stated had left/been kicked out of the EDL, Tommy was confusingly disguised as a Rabbi, and the EDLers didn’t seem to give his performance that much credence.
Even more strangely, Robert ‘Rapey’ Bartholomeus was there. And even more strangely than that, they’d managed to drag Abdul out from under his rock to present as the only muslim who has ever or will ever support the EDL.
This is Robert. He runs the EDL Jewish division. He isnt English, he isnt Jewish and in his more frank moments he has been known to wish Rape apon EDL angels. With him is Abdul, He is a ‘lapsed Muslim’, sectarian bigot and almost completely unaware of who he is, where he is, and what the EDL are about. A very vulnerable individual who, as a proud Rangers supporter sings about killing catholics on youtube videos. I cant explain the misfits the EDL attracts and neither can they.
Despite their claims of a multicultural fan base, Abdul was the only non white face in a crowd of 1000 EDL supporters.
Tommy spoke for 10 mins, incited some violence, goaded the police, broke his bail conditions and got arrested, although it’s said that he evaded arrest, the stories there get confusing. The EDL threw bottles and firecrackers at the police.
I think the Steward is more commonly known as a ‘criminal’ but then Roberta makes her own mind up about stuff like that, cos she’s bat shit. The convicted bomber she adores so is actually a freedom fighter and deeply misunderstood b the CIA…
The anti EDL group maintained a wall of people, in Tower Hamlets saying ‘they will not pass’.
After Tommy’s performance, the EDL were rounded up and painfully slowly guided towards Tower Bridge, to be sent home. Stopping to have the odd impotent scuffle with police and take some tourist pics of the capital city they know nothing about. Best chant of the day? “Whose bridge? Our bridge!”
The anti EDL group celebrated and had a victory march. Not one arrest.
The EDL did not achieve their goal of demonstrating and ‘having it’ in Tower Hamlets – they didn’t even know where Tower Hamlets was, so I can imagine they’d’ve found it a tad difficult.
Bar one coachload, who for god alone knows what reason, after the EDL were supposed to have left, managed to convince their coach driver to turn around and drive up Whitechapel Road, so they could shout abuse at the locals. They claimed the coach broke down outside the mosque. An EDL ‘angel’ came out to abuse people close up, was assaulted, and was abandoned by the rest of her EDL ‘family’. Some local muslims helped her up and onto her coach again. The coach itself was vandalised.
The coachload of EDL supporters were arrested.
So, the EDL lied about the march.
They lied about the area.
They lied about Roberta and the Jewish Division.
They lied about their numbers.
They lied about their multicultural fan base.
They closed down two of the busiest stations in London.
They closed down busy tourist trade run pubs.
They tried to set alight to a journalist, causing minor burns.
They punched another journalist giving them a black eye.
Tommy has now been re-arrested and is due to appear at Luton magistrates court tomorrow to answer charges of breaching his bail conditions,conditions that are an infringement of his civil liberties as they are designed to strip him of his democratic right to protest, a truly sad indictment of the ever increasing police state we now seem to live in. which he was fully aware of and had to adhere to (after being arrested for headbutting another racist fuckwit) if he wished to avoid being remanded. (The truth is boring but…)
BBC ANNOUNCER There have been some changes made to this week’s special edition of Question Time. Robby Tomlinson of the Britain United Movement and the Prime Minister David Cameron were to answer questions in Luton on the threat of Islamic extremism in the UK.
1. The English Defence League’s defence against accusations of being Far Right
The EDL (English Defence League) strenuously denies being a Far Right organisation. Its defence amounts to it allegedly welcoming many minorities into its ranks and that it stands up for the rights of all human beings.
Please note: the English Defence League (EDL) is not now, nor has it ever been a “Far Right” organisation. The EDL welcomes all colours, creeds, religions, sexualities and anyone who believes in the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family. (EDL press release, 21st March 2011)
2. What is the Far Right? Expert definitions of fascism and comparisons from history
The Far Right is in essence any movement that holds extreme conservative views, involves some form of supremacism, with people deemed to be either inferior or superior, and the belief that social equality is a false ideal. The EDL’s interpretation of fascism is based entirely on the Nazi model of the Third Reich, carried on by neo-Nazis to the present day. Laying aside the naked tokenism on display with EDL ‘divisions’ classified by race, religion and sexuality, these ‘divisions’ actually do not subtract from the accusations that the EDL are Far Right. This is because the Far Right can encompass quite a few ideologies including fascism as well as religious fundamentalism. Fascism can also be broken down into different versions, such as Nazism, Italian Fascism and Falangism in Spain. Out of those three only Nazism was actually racial nationalist as opposed to just nationalist like standard fascism.
Like the EDL Italian Fascism did not have an official policy of racism and had Jewish and non-white members. Anti-Semitic sympathies were rare in the population of Italy when compared to Nazi Germany and Mussolini may have only introduced anti-Semitic legislation in 1938 under pressure from Hitler. Italian Fascists were extreme nationalists, just like all fascists, but accepted all races as long as they accepted fascist doctrine. In Mussolini’s Italy an Italian national was defined by his participation in the National Fascist Party, so if you weren’t in the Party you weren’t really Italian. The EDL consider you to have forfeited your English nationality if you oppose them.
Expert opinion holds that fascism is hostile to cultural pluralism and social division (Griffin, R., 1998): it abhors cultural division within society. According to Merkl (2003) fascism propounds a theory of ethnopluralism (more than one race) based on cultural homogeneity (one culture). Clash of civilisations rhetoric is fairly typical in fascist thought, which holds that civilisations cannot mix (Merkl, P., 2003). As related above, Fascist Italy was multi-racial as was Spain under Franco.
“Race! It is a feeling, not a reality: ninety-five percent, at least, is a feeling. Nothing will ever make me believe that biologically pure races can be shown to exist today. National pride has no need of the delirium of race.”(Mussolini, B., 1933)
Therefore it is no defence for the EDL to claim they aren’t Far Right because they allow Jews into their ranks. As related above, Mussolini had no problem with Jews initially. The same applies to any other racial minority. Fascist regimes were extreme nationalist regimes that believed in a monocultural society in which all citizens were a part of and worked for the benefit of the State.
“Everything in the State, nothing outside the State, nothing against the State.” (Mussolini, B., 1927)
Expert opinion on the EDL is that they are Far Right. Commenting on the There is Nothing British about the BNP website Dr. Matthew Goodwin of Nottingham University, an advisor to the British Government on the Far Right, states the following.
“The far right is no longer just the BNP.For the first time in British history mainstream politicians and others are facing a strong far right political party (the BNP) and a growing extra-parliamentary far right grassroots social movement (English Defence League).” (Goodwin, M., 25th January 2010)
3. Sources of evidence for the English Defence League being Far Right
The EDL will quite readily deny any supporter who says racist or fascist things as being genuine and will say that they are an ‘infiltrator’. There are actually many thousands of examples of such people making such statements, which if anything show that the EDL attracts racists and fascists. However for evidence that they cannot deny we shall have to look to official statements, such as their Mission Statement and statements by their leader Stephen Lennon.
4. A comparison between the English Defence League’s values and those of fascism
A series of frequently asked questions (the thread was entitled F A Q) was posted on the English Defence League’s UK Freedom Forum website on 11th June 2010, the answers bear a resemblance to fascist ideology.
In response to the question “What is the EDL?” the response was that EDL are people “who are concerned by the government’s failure to protect our English heritage and cultural values from the influence of abhorrent Islamic cultural values.”
In response to the question “What does the EDL hope to achieve?” the answer was: “The EDL hopes to achieve the integration of all British citizens into a harmonious socially cohesive society with shared common traditional English cultural values.”
The question “How does the EDL hope to achieve it [sic] aims?” makes it clear that the EDL seek a Kulturkampf against the “divisive and abhorrent culture of Islam” in England, which they see as incompatible with and a threat to English values. They say they will achieve their aims “By directly opposing Islamic cultural values, practices and symbols in England”, in other words they want Islamic culture banned in England. In their press release the EDL stated that it “believes in the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family”, so either they are lying or they don’t view Muslims as human. Seeing as they intend to achieve this by “pressuring government”, we can assume that by England they mean the UK.
In response to the question “Does the EDL want British Muslims deported from Britain?” the EDL states:
“No it does not but we would like to encourage them to fulfil their commitment to Islam by making hijrah. Islam commands that Muslims must not live in Britain (a non-Muslims [sic] country). Islam commands that Muslims must not live in the land of the enemy (Britain)”.
It then misinterprets some passages from the Koran to back this up, as well as coming up with an entirely different meaning to hijrah than is what is given in Islam (it refers specifically to the Prophet Mohammed’s escape from Mecca to Medina in 622 AD). Islam does not say that unbelievers are the enemy, or that Muslims shouldn’t live in their lands. It should be noted what Stephen Lennon’s opinions on Islam are.
“Islam is a disease!” (Lennon, S., 11th December 2010)
“Islam is fucked!” (Lennon, S., 11th December 2010)
“Radical Islam and Islam’s days in this nation are numbered!” (Lennon, S., 11th December 2010)
The question “What is the EDL’s policy on immigration?” gets the response that “immigration leads to problems in the longer term” and that immigration should be limited to “immigrants who share our cultural values.”
The EDL’s policy on multiculturalism is that “Multiculturalism is divisive, division is bad. We should all work for a harmonious socially cohesive society with shared common traditional English cultural values.” The EDL obviously view cultural division as a bad thing and that English society although multi-ethnic should be monocultural. Interestingly Stephen Lennon declared that the EDL defends multiculturalism in a speech given at Blackburn on 2nd April 2011, although given that he has said things are true that are demonstrably false, it’s questionable whether he was being sincere.
When asked “Are members of the EDL are racists / is the EDL is a racist organisation?” the answer given states that the “exact opposite is the case.” This flies in the face of the masses of available evidence, however as mentioned previously that is outside the remit of this paper. The important bit is “We encourage and welcome all races to join us. Our Vision and that which we work towards is of a harmonious and socially cohesive society of all races.” That means a multi-ethnic society, which according to the EDL will have a shared culture.
The EDL’s response to “EDL members are fascists is that true?” is obviously “no”, but they then go on to make the bold claim that “Fascism died with Hitler, Mussolini and some old South American dictators” and that anti-fascists such as Unite Against Fascism claim the EDL are fascist, because they need someone to call fascist! It shows the extent of the EDL’s ignorance (or perhaps deceit) if they claim fascism died out long ago. Post-1945 it is usually referred to as neo-fascism and this description includes the British National Party and National Front that have fascist policies. Fiamma Tricolore and Forza Nuova are current Italian neo-fascist parties and there are huge numbers of neo-fascists world wide, so the EDL’s claim that they can’t be fascist as fascism no longer exists is rubbish.
When the question is asked whether the EDL is the same as the BNP, the response is that the BNP had abhorrent racial policies and “the EDL pursues an anti-racist policy including open membership to anyone of any colour or creed. One of the reason [sic] it opposes Islam is because Islam preaches racism.” Firstly the EDL can demonstrably be shown to contain a great many racists. Secondly the EDL states that it isn’t racist because it allows in all races and religions, but in the next sentence says that opposes Islam because it says Islam is racist, so presumably it doesn’t welcome Muslims into the EDL. Islamic racism is defined by the EDL as being opposition to non-Muslims, but opposition to Islam by the EDL isn’t racist, so says the EDL. Not only does this contradict the EDL’s claims that Islam isn’t a race and therefore anti-Muslim abuse isn’t racist, it manages in the first sentence to define itself as non-racist as it doesn’t discriminate against religions, but in the next says it discriminates against Muslims!
The question also asked about BNP members being in the EDL, but despite having said the BNP has “abhorrent racial policies” the response to that was “we don’t know and don’t care”. This may be influenced by the fact that Stephen Lennon was in the BNP from at least 2004 to 2007. They say every EDL member is subject to the same rules regardless of background, which is nonsense because officially they have no membership, so they can’t make anyone who isn’t a member of their organisation subject to the rules of the organisation.
A further question asked “Islam is not a racist ideology anyone of any race can become a Muslim?” but then followed that up with some misquoted passages from the Koran about Muslims not living with non-Muslims, as if that proved Islam was racist. Essentially according to the EDL it’s not racist to attack Islam, but if Islam is critical of non-Muslims that is racism. Furthermore Lennon himself made comments to the effect that Muslims are breeding “our race” to extinction, meaning that either he thinks Muslims are a race or ‘Muslim’ means a non-white person.
“Within thirty or forty years in this country we are a complete minority to Muslims, because of the Muslim demographics. They’re having 8 children, we’re having 1.3. Our culture and our race will disappear in this country.” (Lennon, S., 27th January 2010)
According to 2006 figures, the fertility rate of White British women had increased 1.73 children each (www.ccsr.ac.uk/esds/events/2008-12-02/dubuc.ppt). That of Muslim women from Pakistan and Bangladesh (women from the countries with the highest Muslim birth rates) had fallen to an average of 2.9 and 3.1 respectively and had been falling since 1987 (http://iussp2009.princeton.edu/download.aspx?submissionId=93139), and that a “rapid and continuing decline of TFR for the Pakistani and Bangladeshi groups since 1987 support the idea of fertility convergence across ethnic groups in the UK although some differences remain between groups.” The claim that Muslim women have 8 children each (a birth rate higher than any country on Earth) is based on a YouTube video that gives no source. An obsession with preserving the nation or race through high birth rates and outbreeding rival nations or races; is a well-documented fascist trait. He further confers racial status on Muslims by implying it is somehow racist for people to vote for other people on the grounds of religion.
“Muslims will surely vote for other Muslims. Now that’s racism in itself.” (Lennon, S., 27th January 2010)
What a tangled web indeed!
The Mission Statement contains insights into the EDL’s desire to see cultural assimilation.
“Emulation and promotion of 7th century Islamic ideals is the antithesis of any Western democracy, therefore we challenge the concepts, laws, morality and intolerance of Islam as practiced in its ‘original” form’” (EDL Mission Statement, 23rd January 2011)
This mirrors very closely Stephen Lennon’s oft-repeated statement that he opposes an ideology (he refuses to recognise it as a religion, despite all religions being ideologies) in “its 7th century barbaric form”. That implies that practicing Muslims are themselves barbaric and therefore inferior. Islam is portrayed as a threat to Western culture and values.
“In reality, sharia cannot operate fully as anything other than a complete alternative to our existing legal, political, and social systems. It is a revolution that this country does not want, and one that it must resist. Sharia is a “threat” to our democracy.” (EDL Mission Statement, 23rd January 2011)
In fact sharia laws, which function as a non-legally binding collection of codes for out of court arbitration, are applied in the UK in a manner that does not conflict with UK national laws. Foreign cultures whilst accepted by the EDL are viewed as alien and they are content for them to eventually disappear in England.
“However, this does not give license to policy-makers to deliberately undermine our culture and impose Non-English cultures on the English people in their own land.” (EDL Mission Statement, 23rd January 2011)
“Why is the EDL solely focused on Islam and not other alien cultures? There are other sections of our society which pursue cultural values which are inconsistent with our English cultural values and that has been the case throughout history and history has shown that eventually these groups integrate into society and conform with our cultural norms” (F A Q, UK Freedom Forum, 11th June 2010)
That says that the EDL believe that there are certain, defined, English cultural values that all ethnic groups should obey. Other examples of a fascist-type mentality can be seen in statements such as this.
“In pursuing this self-defeating and destructive policy, the Government has effectively been acting as the propaganda arm of the Muslim Brotherhood […] Islam is not just a religious system, but a political and social ideology that seeks to dominate all Non-Believers and impose a harsh legal system that rejects democratic accountability and human rights” (EDL Mission Statement, 23rd January 2011)
The Muslim Brotherhood currently fills the role that the ‘Learned Elders of Zion’ once played for the Far Right, that of an imaginary rival. Nowadays instead of Judeo-Bolshevism they talk of Islamo-Marxism controlling the world’s governments. The reason for this is twofold.
It is no longer socially acceptable to draw on anti-Semitic propaganda to further political aims.
Anti-Semitism was endemic in Europe in the early part of the 20th century, not just in Germany. Oswald Mosley infamously was a fascist and an anti-Semite in the UK. These days similar views are held about Muslims.
The EDL make ominous rumblings about what will happen if the social divisions, i.e. having more than one culture in the UK, aren’t eliminated.
“Resentment is already beginning to grow, and could create dangerous divisions if nothing is done.” (EDL Mission Statement, 23rd January 2011)
From whom this resentment emanates does not need to be explained, however it clearly illustrates that sharia law, in itself no more legally binding than the rules of a club, causes “dangerous divisions” in the minds of the EDL. This sounds suspiciously like what Stephen Lennon said when interviewed by Jeremy Paxman on the BBC’s Newsnight in the aftermath of Anders Breivik’s acts of terrorism.
“And we are against all extremism and all violence, but you need to listen, because God forbid this ever happens on British soil, because it’s a time coming. You’re probably five or ten years away.” (Lennon, S. 25th July 2011)
He previously said something very similar when interviewed by Australian TV’s Nine Network’s 60 Minutes programme, foreshadowing Anders Breivik’s atrocity.
"I think if things were left the way they were and nothing changes, you’re probably five…five years away from having English lads wanting to blow themselves up. Because people are so angry about what is going on. So angry and so feel under threat and a complete oppression to do with Islam." (Lennon, S., c.20th March 2011)
In other words the EDL are threatening violence, terrorism in fact, as a result of them not being listened to. Lennon may say we have five years minimum, but a terrorist attack could potentially happen before then. This is because:
Regardless of what Lennon says the EDL are inclined to violence and the language of extremism.
With no official membership the EDL leadership cannot positively guarantee that none of its loose collection of supporters are opposed to committing acts of terrorism.
Seeing as the resentment they speak of is directed at Muslims and Lennon’s comment was in relation to a terrorist massacre by Anders Breivik, a Far Right extremist, it can only be taken as meaning that the EDL are suggesting Far Right atrocities if they aren’t listened too and their demands aren’t met. The EDL state that they are very keen to get in touch with people with a similar mentality as theirs around the world.
“The EDL is keen to join with others who share its values, wherever they are in the world, and from whatever cultural background they derive. It believes that the demand for sharia is global and therefore needs to be tackled at a global as well as national level, so that this demand will never be succumbed to. The EDL will therefore have an international outlook to enhance and strengthen its domestic efforts, while uniting many in a common struggle against a rising tide of Islamic intolerance towards western life, its customs, its cultures, its religions, its politics and its rule of law. The time for tolerating intolerance has come to an end, it’s time for the whole world to unite against a truly Global Jihad.” (EDL Mission Statement, 23rd January 2011)
The EDL has managed to join up with various Far Right extremist and terrorist groups and links between it and the Norwegian Far Right terrorist Anders Breivik appear to have been established. It categorises Islam in total as being against Western life, customs, cultures, religions, politics and law, a view shared by Far Right extremist Breivik.
“Far worse than failing to compete with non-Muslim Asians is failing to identify the threat from Islamic nations who want to subdue us and wipe out our entire civilisation. That is a failure we quite simply cannot live with.” (Breivik. A. B., ‘2083: A European Declaration of Independence’, 2011)
This is a fundamental belief that unites the Far Right in Europe, North America and Australasia. It is inconceivable that a non-Far Right movement would declare Islam as an enemy of Western civilization and openly state that Muslims are trying to take over. When the EDL said it would join with people who share its values, you have to question the values of a group who shares its values with a man like Anders Breivik.
What the EDL seek is a homogenous society with a single culture. The EDL believes that Islam is incompatible and is a threat to “English cultural values”, something they repeat a lot in both the FAQ thread and the Mission Statement, and therefore Islam must be banned and Muslims forced to abandon their religion or leave the UK. Lennon went further and stated that Muslims are a threat to the ‘white race’. References to the threat to English culture from foreign influences are legion and there are multiple mentions of wanting a culturally homogenous society, a typical example of fascism.
Other fascist-like behaviour within the EDL as a whole is the intimidation of unsympathetic media outlets, attacks on the meetings of political opponents, the desecration of places of worship for ideological reasons, the glorification of militarism and the obsession with the nation’s past military victories, violence as a political tool, the all-powerful leader with a personality cult, the referring to political opponents as ‘communists’ and their hatred of the Left, saying that anyone who disagrees with them is a ‘traitor’ to the nation (with fascism Party and State are one), the massive use of nationalistic imagery and holding ultra-nationalist beliefs, as well as rhetoric reminiscent of the Nazis (Jews substituted for Muslims).
Examples of fascist-sounding slogans include: “Patriotism isn’t racism, betraying your race is treason”, “One Country, One People, One Cause” and “One Nation, One Enemy, One Firm”.
The EDL releasing statements and mission statements saying they aren’t fascist makes no difference when their stated core beliefs are and so are their actions. Declaring they aren’t racist in their Mission Statement when their leader says that Muslim birth rates are a threat to continuing existence of the ‘white race’, is as meaningful as me releasing a statement to the effect of me being a purple carrot from the planet Mars called Eric. On 13th February 1945 Hitler declared “I promise you I am quite free of all racial hatred”, in his Political Testament. Releasing an official statement does not make lies turn into the truth.
Combined with the historical precedents and expert opinion, all this leaves no possibility of any other conclusion other than the EDL is fascist and therefore Far Right.
Well, the Nazi brigade can sure dish it out, but as usual, just cannot take it.
It has been widely confirmed that Anders Behring Breivik, in his hate manifesto, cited and referenced radical bigots such as Pam Geller, Geert Wilders, and many contacts in the far right UK fringe group,…
"Lower-level violence and intimidation continues unabated: last week on the day of the Norwegian massacre, in an entirely routine incident, a mosque in Luton was vandalised and spray-painted with a swastika and EDL slogan. The rise of Islamophobia in Europe and the US is the manipulated product of a toxic blend of economic insecurity, unprotected mass migration and the consequences of a decade of western-sponsored war in the Muslim world: from Afghanistan to Iraq, Pakistan to Libya.
It has become the new acceptable form of racism – far outstripping in opinion polls the level of hatred for any other religious or racial group, and embraced by those who delude themselves that anti-Muslim bigotry has nothing to do with ethnicity – and even represents some sort of defence of liberal values.”
We’ve been watching Stephen Lennon do his press rounds recently, he’s actually charging them now. Seriously…. Fifty quid a shot. Wowzers what a blagger. Who makes financial gain from the mass murder of children? Initial interviews seemed to go pretty well for him, I guess the pressure is off when you have no intention of answering any questions truthfully. It’s more an exercise in coming across as genuine which he fails at, but there you go. What has turned from a defensive necessity to negotiate the media to protect his organisation’s reputation to a financial and propaganda bonanza, probably means we should stop indulging the two bit football hooligan, coke head, cowboy builder of the world of activism. Perhaps give him enough airtime to hang himself? What follows is a transcript of an interview with Stephen Lennon on BBC 3 counties radio and our challenges as to the honesty of his responses. Remember just one BULLSHIT discredits the man as having any integrity:
interviewer will be I
“Tommy” will be T
I- David Cameron says that the government here is taking extremely seriously that AB may have links to far right groups in this country. The organisation who’s name has been most mentioned is the EDL, they say they had no official contact with them, Stephen Lennon is from Luton, he is also known as Tommy Robinson and he’s the leader of the EDL and joins us in the studio this morning, Stephen, thanks for coming in. and speaking to us this morning. Can I just start by asking have you ever met AB?
T- I haven’t. Can I just start by saying our deepest sympathies and prayers go out to all the victims of this horrific incident
I -did you know of AB before Friday?
T- I didn’t, no
I- but fellow supporters did of the EDL didn’t they according to Ab’s facebook 700, 600 EDL supporters
T-600 out of 100,000 followers on the internet so it doesn’t mean any of them have met em. They’re cyber friends on fb, I had 7,000 friends on fb. I only knew about 100 or so of them
I but 600 EDL supporters are his friends on facebook
T yeah they were
I so the EDL has got links hasn’t it to AB
T- when you say has got links I think its only speculation and opinions, opinions are like elbows, everyone’s got 2 , we need the facts, the facts are cos there has been this smear campaign and word association
I the facts are that 600 members of the EDL are his friends on facebook
Anders Behring Breivik’s last known posting about the EDL.
T the facts are on page 1438 of his document, he states that EDL are in fact anti racist, anti fascist and anti Nazi they have many members and leaders with no European backgrounds, Africans and Asians, the EDL and his group principals can never be reconciled as we are miles apart ideal idea log logi logigically the EDL harshly condemns any movement that uses terror as a tool such as mine, this is why myself view the EDL as naïve fools the edl is a democratic movement and they still believe that a democratic system can solve it’s problems. Does that sound like we had a good relationship in any sort of way?
I- previously, prior to that, brevik had, well he’s changed his mind obviously about your…
T- He’s changed his mind, and this is the most this is the latest thing, he’s changed his mind once he’s seen what we’re about we cond
I- but he has supported your organisation in the past hasn’t he
T- well we have the s.., we share an ide.. a part of an ideology that we believe that islam is a serious threat to Europe, we believe that Islam or extremists Mr Lennon?
I lets’ not talk about your ideology because we have heard about it many a time here on breakfast, what I want to talk to you about this morning is newsnight, last night on the BBC. You made an extraordinary claim that we are heading for attacks here that Norway has suffered on Friday in fact we can see them here, you said in five to ten years time.
T (at same time as I) to be honest I’ve ma… I’ve made that claim for years
I you said, five to ten years time
T- I’ve made that claim prior to this
I you’re planning for this then are you?
T- I’m not planning for it at all no, I condemn all acts of violence and extremism, what I am saying is if we don’t plan against this it will happen and god forbid we need that on our soil,
I- what leads you to believe it’s going to happen in the first place?
T- Because, when you live at a street level, like myself, you understand the anger and frustration that there is in our communities. There’s a lot of anger, there’s a lot of frustration. People are deeply concerned with Islam and by brushing it under the carpet, not just brushing it under the carpet, anyone opening their mouth being deemed a racist, we see our local politicians calling us well, there’s no evidence till it does happen. outsiders, there’s an alienation period going on with the working class community of this country and if they’re not careful they are going to create monsters, and in a democracy, when you are aggrieved by s…
I- Where’s your evidence?
T- where’s my evidence?
I- that this is going to happen in five to ten years time
T- well look what’s just happened in Norway, I said this before Norway
I- It doesn’t mean it’s going to happen here, where’s your evidence that it’s going to happen
I then why are you saying things like this
T- I’m predicting its, I’m predicting
I- so this is your gut feeling
T- there’s an under current of anger
I do you not think that by saying things like this, this is what will stir it up in the first place?
T- no, I believe that by ignoring things like this, and not talking about things like this, we will allow it to happen and God forbid we want to prevent anything like that happening on British soil and to prevent it they need to start accepting that there is an elephant in the room ,its called Islam, let’s talk about it, lets not brush it under the carpet and pretend that everything is hunky dory and that Islam is not a religion..Islam is a religion of peace
I this is what you’re really good at isn’t it, the EDL, you preach intolerance yet you don’t want to take responsibility for the effect of the rhetoric on other people. That’s the definition of power without responsibility what you do is you light the touch power„, touch paper. You give people your opinions. You put them out there, these extreme far right views, and people run away with them.. they become too dangerous (Tommy speaks at same time as last part)
T- which extreme far right views is that, and when you talk about intolerance, Islam is an intolerant religion towards all other faiths so
I what you do, is you preach your views to people and then when it becomes a little bit out of control, or a lot out of control as in this case, you wash your hands completely of all responsibility
T, well no, you’re completely wrong actually if you look at what we’ve done from day one, we have gone against extremism, we’ve promoted integration, we’ve promoted non non non, european members, non English members because that’s what makes up England. When I see England, I see black, I see white, I see brown , that is why that is what makes up the EDL movement
I are your supporters dangerous?
T- are our supporters dangerous? No, not any supporters I know are dangerous. It’s the same, its the same. When 7/7 happened
I Are you dangerous?
T when 7?7 happened, listen
I Stephen, listen, are you dangerous?
T- no I’m not dangerous at all.
I listen, we’re reporting in the news this morning that you’ve just been convicted of football hooliganism this week, and involved in a street brawl
T- I have been convicted of raising my arms in the air, and if you listen, if you read the Guardian website they actually say that the police officer was caught out lying on oath, in the last 12 months I have had my rights to go to football taken away, I have had my right to protest taken away
Tyeah I’m appealing that, I have had my right to protest taken away and I have had all my money and finances taken away
I are your members dangerous, i’m going to show you a picture now, taken from the internet which is your EDL supporters
T- says who?
I- wearing EDL tops, holding guns up
T- and does anybody know who they are? Could be anyone
I- this is the thing, your preaching your views then you do step away from any real responsibility
T they could be anybody, if you look at what we’ve preached, we’ve preached non extremism, non violence, from day 1, that’s all we’ve ever done, we’ve condemned it we, in a democracy when you are angry you a go out on the street and you’re supposed to protest, that’s what you’re supposed to do, it’s your democratic right. That takes away, if that democratic right is taken away, when we come to Luton, which we have serious issues in Luton which we wanted to highlight, we came here, we peacefully protested in our thousands, yet we had politicians telling us we’re scum, they don’t want us, these are dangerous times when there treading on these times and try to take people’s rights away from them, I have had my democratic right to protest taken away from me, as have many of our members
I- as the EDL do you no longer know who you are?
T- yeah we know who we are, yeah
I you are a far right winged
T- ok so what far right about the EDL? No, can you answer
I your so called
Tno, can you answer, you just called me far right answer the question
I the so called link between breivik and EDL is something that you are now severely (unintelligible) about.
I- which link? The link where he calls us naïve fools? That link
I but he was one of your supporters
T- clearly not, naïve fools, he says we are ideologically miles apart, now can you explain to me what is far right, you’ve just called us far right on the radio, explain to me what is far right about the EDL You’re not .. explain to me what’s far right
I- you preach , what you preach in your views Is not…
T -against homophobia , against anti Semitism, tell me which part is far right, just explain to me which part is far right
I- what you preach in your views
T- which part, you’re not going be able to answer because we are not a far right organisation
I- I’m going to
T- well go on then
I what you preach in your views is far right
T- like what
I because what you go around preaching
T- like what, like what?
T- well, no, you haven’t got an answer cos we’re not far right. That’s it, you can keep labelling us far right on the radio and the media, if you come out and tell the truth we’re not even far right. There’s nothing far right about standing up for women’s rights, there is nothing far right about standing up for our culture
I what your group does is it preaches against a recognised global religion
T- no its not a glo.. is it a religion when you get the death penalty for leaving it? See in my mind that’s an ideology that that’s a cult and the Italian government has come out and said, this is not a religion this is an ideology and across Europe you will see all politicians coming out and explaining it, it’s not, its an ideology that is masquerading as a religion, I am glad you have just confirmed that there is nothing far right about our organisation.
I- do you worry that a minority of your supporters might go too far?
T- no the biggest worry to me and this country is a minority within the Islamic faith, that’s the biggest worry, lets not pretend that the biggest worry is any far right organisation the EDL have never committed any acts of violence, we have never blown anything up,