Exposing The English Defence League

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August 2011

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Why the English Defence League is Far Right

1. The English Defence League’s defence against accusations of being Far Right

The EDL (English Defence League) strenuously denies being a Far Right organisation. Its defence amounts to it allegedly welcoming many minorities into its ranks and that it stands up for the rights of all human beings.

Please note: the English Defence League (EDL) is not now, nor has it ever been a “Far Right” organisation. The EDL welcomes all colours, creeds, religions, sexualities and anyone who believes in the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family. (EDL press release, 21st March 2011)

2. What is the Far Right? Expert definitions of fascism and comparisons from history

The Far Right is in essence any movement that holds extreme conservative views, involves some form of supremacism, with people deemed to be either inferior or superior, and the belief that social equality is a false ideal. The EDL’s interpretation of fascism is based entirely on the Nazi model of the Third Reich, carried on by neo-Nazis to the present day. Laying aside the naked tokenism on display with EDL ‘divisions’ classified by race, religion and sexuality, these ‘divisions’ actually do not subtract from the accusations that the EDL are Far Right. This is because the Far Right can encompass quite a few ideologies including fascism as well as religious fundamentalism. Fascism can also be broken down into different versions, such as Nazism, Italian Fascism and Falangism in Spain. Out of those three only Nazism was actually racial nationalist as opposed to just nationalist like standard fascism.

Like the EDL Italian Fascism did not have an official policy of racism and had Jewish and non-white members. Anti-Semitic sympathies were rare in the population of Italy when compared to Nazi Germany and Mussolini may have only introduced anti-Semitic legislation in 1938 under pressure from Hitler. Italian Fascists were extreme nationalists, just like all fascists, but accepted all races as long as they accepted fascist doctrine. In Mussolini’s Italy an Italian national was defined by his participation in the National Fascist Party, so if you weren’t in the Party you weren’t really Italian. The EDL consider you to have forfeited your English nationality if you oppose them.

Expert opinion holds that fascism is hostile to cultural pluralism and social division (Griffin, R., 1998): it abhors cultural division within society. According to Merkl (2003) fascism propounds a theory of ethnopluralism (more than one race) based on cultural homogeneity (one culture). Clash of civilisations rhetoric is fairly typical in fascist thought, which holds that civilisations cannot mix (Merkl, P., 2003). As related above, Fascist Italy was multi-racial as was Spain under Franco.

“Race! It is a feeling, not a reality: ninety-five percent, at least, is a feeling. Nothing will ever make me believe that biologically pure races can be shown to exist today. National pride has no need of the delirium of race.” (Mussolini, B., 1933)

Therefore it is no defence for the EDL to claim they aren’t Far Right because they allow Jews into their ranks. As related above, Mussolini had no problem with Jews initially. The same applies to any other racial minority. Fascist regimes were extreme nationalist regimes that believed in a monocultural society in which all citizens were a part of and worked for the benefit of the State.

“Everything in the State, nothing outside the State, nothing against the State.” (Mussolini, B., 1927)

Expert opinion on the EDL is that they are Far Right. Commenting on the There is Nothing British about the BNP website Dr. Matthew Goodwin of Nottingham University, an advisor to the British Government on the Far Right, states the following.

“The far right is no longer just the BNP. For the first time in British history mainstream politicians and others are facing a strong far right political party (the BNP) and a growing extra-parliamentary far right grassroots social movement (English Defence League).” (Goodwin, M., 25th January 2010)  

 3. Sources of evidence for the English Defence League being Far Right

The EDL will quite readily deny any supporter who says racist or fascist things as being genuine and will say that they are an ‘infiltrator’. There are actually many thousands of examples of such people making such statements, which if anything show that the EDL attracts racists and fascists. However for evidence that they cannot deny we shall have to look to official statements, such as their Mission Statement and statements by their leader Stephen Lennon.

4. A comparison between the English Defence League’s values and those of fascism

A series of frequently asked questions (the thread was entitled F A Q) was posted on the English Defence League’s UK Freedom Forum website on 11th June 2010, the answers bear a resemblance to fascist ideology.

In response to the question “What is the EDL?” the response was that EDL are people “who are concerned by the government’s failure to protect our English heritage and cultural values from the influence of abhorrent Islamic cultural values.”

In response to the question “What does the EDL hope to achieve?” the answer was: “The EDL hopes to achieve the integration of all British citizens into a harmonious socially cohesive society with shared common traditional English cultural values.”

The question “How does the EDL hope to achieve it [sic] aims?” makes it clear that the EDL seek a Kulturkampf against the “divisive and abhorrent culture of Islam” in England, which they see as incompatible with and a threat to English values. They say they will achieve their aims “By directly opposing Islamic cultural values, practices and symbols in England”, in other words they want Islamic culture banned in England. In their press release the EDL stated that it “believes in the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family”, so either they are lying or they don’t view Muslims as human. Seeing as they intend to achieve this by “pressuring government”, we can assume that by England they mean the UK.

In response to the question “Does the EDL want British Muslims deported from Britain?” the EDL states:

“No it does not but we would like to encourage them to fulfil their commitment to Islam by making hijrah. Islam commands that Muslims must not live in Britain (a non-Muslims [sic] country). Islam commands that Muslims must not live in the land of the enemy (Britain)”.

It then misinterprets some passages from the Koran to back this up, as well as coming up with an entirely different meaning to hijrah than is what is given in Islam (it refers specifically to the Prophet Mohammed’s escape from Mecca to Medina in 622 AD). Islam does not say that unbelievers are the enemy, or that Muslims shouldn’t live in their lands. It should be noted what Stephen Lennon’s opinions on Islam are.

“Islam is a disease!” (Lennon, S., 11th December 2010)

“Islam is fucked!” (Lennon, S., 11th December 2010)

“Radical Islam and Islam’s days in this nation are numbered!” (Lennon, S., 11th December 2010)

The question “What is the EDL’s policy on immigration?” gets the response that “immigration leads to problems in the longer term” and that immigration should be limited to “immigrants who share our cultural values.”

The EDL’s policy on multiculturalism is that “Multiculturalism is divisive, division is bad. We should all work for a harmonious socially cohesive society with shared common traditional English cultural values.” The EDL obviously view cultural division as a bad thing and that English society although multi-ethnic should be monocultural. Interestingly Stephen Lennon declared that the EDL defends multiculturalism in a speech given at Blackburn on 2nd April 2011, although given that he has said things are true that are demonstrably false, it’s questionable whether he was being sincere.

When asked “Are members of the EDL are racists / is the EDL is a racist organisation?” the answer given states that the “exact opposite is the case.” This flies in the face of the masses of available evidence, however as mentioned previously that is outside the remit of this paper. The important bit is “We encourage and welcome all races to join us. Our Vision and that which we work towards is of a harmonious and socially cohesive society of all races.” That means a multi-ethnic society, which according to the EDL will have a shared culture.

The EDL’s response to “EDL members are fascists is that true?” is obviously “no”, but they then go on to make the bold claim that “Fascism died with Hitler, Mussolini and some old South American dictators” and that anti-fascists such as Unite Against Fascism claim the EDL are fascist, because they need someone to call fascist! It shows the extent of the EDL’s ignorance (or perhaps deceit) if they claim fascism died out long ago. Post-1945 it is usually referred to as neo-fascism and this description includes the British National Party and National Front that have fascist policies. Fiamma Tricolore and Forza Nuova are current Italian neo-fascist parties and there are huge numbers of neo-fascists world wide, so the EDL’s claim that they can’t be fascist as fascism no longer exists is rubbish.

When the question is asked whether the EDL is the same as the BNP, the response is that the BNP had abhorrent racial policies and “the EDL pursues an anti-racist policy including open membership to anyone of any colour or creed. One of the reason [sic] it opposes Islam is because Islam preaches racism.” Firstly the EDL can demonstrably be shown to contain a great many racists. Secondly the EDL states that it isn’t racist because it allows in all races and religions, but in the next sentence says that opposes Islam because it says Islam is racist, so presumably it doesn’t welcome Muslims into the EDL. Islamic racism is defined by the EDL as being opposition to non-Muslims, but opposition to Islam by the EDL isn’t racist, so says the EDL. Not only does this contradict the EDL’s claims that Islam isn’t a race and therefore anti-Muslim abuse isn’t racist, it manages in the first sentence to define itself as non-racist as it doesn’t discriminate against religions, but in the next says it discriminates against Muslims!

 

The question also asked about BNP members being in the EDL, but despite having said the BNP has “abhorrent racial policies” the response to that was “we don’t know and don’t care”. This may be influenced by the fact that Stephen Lennon was in the BNP from at least 2004 to 2007. They say every EDL member is subject to the same rules regardless of background, which is nonsense because officially they have no membership, so they can’t make anyone who isn’t a member of their organisation subject to the rules of the organisation.

A further question asked “Islam is not a racist ideology anyone of any race can become a Muslim?” but then followed that up with some misquoted passages from the Koran about Muslims not living with non-Muslims, as if that proved Islam was racist. Essentially according to the EDL it’s not racist to attack Islam, but if Islam is critical of non-Muslims that is racism. Furthermore Lennon himself made comments to the effect that Muslims are breeding “our race” to extinction, meaning that either he thinks Muslims are a race or ‘Muslim’ means a non-white person.

“Within thirty or forty years in this country we are a complete minority to Muslims, because of the Muslim demographics. They’re having 8 children, we’re having 1.3. Our culture and our race will disappear in this country.” (Lennon, S., 27th January 2010)

According to 2006 figures, the fertility rate of White British women had increased 1.73 children each (www.ccsr.ac.uk/esds/events/2008-12-02/dubuc.ppt). That of Muslim women from Pakistan and Bangladesh (women from the countries with the highest Muslim birth rates) had fallen to an average of 2.9 and 3.1 respectively and had been falling since 1987 (http://iussp2009.princeton.edu/download.aspx?submissionId=93139), and that a “rapid and continuing decline of TFR for the Pakistani and Bangladeshi groups since 1987 support the idea of fertility convergence across ethnic groups in the UK although some differences remain between groups.” The claim that Muslim women have 8 children each (a birth rate higher than any country on Earth)  is based on a YouTube video that gives no source. An obsession with preserving the nation or race through high birth rates and outbreeding rival nations or races; is a well-documented fascist trait. He further confers racial status on Muslims by implying it is somehow racist for people to vote for other people on the grounds of religion.

“Muslims will surely vote for other Muslims. Now that’s racism in itself.” (Lennon, S., 27th January 2010)

What a tangled web indeed! 

The Mission Statement contains insights into the EDL’s desire to see cultural assimilation.

“Emulation and promotion of 7th century Islamic ideals is the antithesis of any Western democracy, therefore we challenge the concepts, laws, morality and intolerance of Islam as practiced in its ‘original” form’” (EDL Mission Statement, 23rd January 2011)

This mirrors very closely Stephen Lennon’s oft-repeated statement that he opposes an ideology (he refuses to recognise it as a religion, despite all religions being ideologies) in “its 7th century barbaric form”. That implies that practicing Muslims are themselves barbaric and therefore inferior. Islam is portrayed as a threat to Western culture and values.

“In reality, sharia cannot operate fully as anything other than a complete alternative to our existing legal, political, and social systems. It is a revolution that this country does not want, and one that it must resist. Sharia is a “threat” to our democracy.” (EDL Mission Statement, 23rd January 2011)

In fact sharia laws, which function as a non-legally binding collection of codes for out of court arbitration, are applied in the UK in a manner that does not conflict with UK national laws. Foreign cultures whilst accepted by the EDL are viewed as alien and they are content for them to eventually disappear in England.

“However, this does not give license to policy-makers to deliberately undermine our culture and impose Non-English cultures on the English people in their own land.” (EDL Mission Statement, 23rd January 2011)

“Why is the EDL solely focused on Islam and not other alien cultures? There are other sections of our society which pursue cultural values which are inconsistent with our English cultural values and that has been the case throughout history and history has shown that eventually these groups integrate into society and conform with our cultural norms” (F A Q, UK Freedom Forum, 11th June 2010)

That says that the EDL believe that there are certain, defined, English cultural values that all ethnic groups should obey. Other examples of a fascist-type mentality can be seen in statements such as this.

“In pursuing this self-defeating and destructive policy, the Government has effectively been acting as the propaganda arm of the Muslim Brotherhood […] Islam is not just a religious system, but a political and social ideology that seeks to dominate all Non-Believers and impose a harsh legal system that rejects democratic accountability and human rights” (EDL Mission Statement, 23rd January 2011)

The Muslim Brotherhood currently fills the role that the ‘Learned Elders of Zion’ once played for the Far Right, that of an imaginary rival. Nowadays instead of Judeo-Bolshevism they talk of Islamo-Marxism controlling the world’s governments. The reason for this is twofold.

  1. It is no longer socially acceptable to draw on anti-Semitic propaganda to further political aims.
  2. Anti-Semitism was endemic in Europe in the early part of the 20th century, not just in Germany. Oswald Mosley infamously was a fascist and an anti-Semite in the UK. These days similar views are held about Muslims.

The EDL make ominous rumblings about what will happen if the social divisions, i.e. having more than one culture in the UK, aren’t eliminated.

“Resentment is already beginning to grow, and could create dangerous divisions if nothing is done.” (EDL Mission Statement, 23rd January 2011)

From whom this resentment emanates does not need to be explained, however it clearly illustrates that sharia law, in itself no more legally binding than the rules of a club, causes “dangerous divisions” in the minds of the EDL. This sounds suspiciously like what Stephen Lennon said when interviewed by Jeremy Paxman on the BBC’s Newsnight in the aftermath of Anders Breivik’s acts of terrorism.

“And we are against all extremism and all violence, but you need to listen, because God forbid this ever happens on British soil, because it’s a time coming. You’re probably five or ten years away.” (Lennon, S. 25th July 2011)

He previously said something very similar when interviewed by Australian TV’s Nine Network’s 60 Minutes programme, foreshadowing Anders Breivik’s atrocity.

“I think if things were left the way they were and nothing changes, you’re probably five…five years away from having English lads wanting to blow themselves up. Because people are so angry about what is going on. So angry and so feel under threat and a complete oppression to do with Islam.” (Lennon, S., c.20th March 2011)

In other words the EDL are threatening violence, terrorism in fact, as a result of them not being listened to. Lennon may say we have five years minimum, but a terrorist attack could potentially happen before then. This is because:

  1. Regardless of what Lennon says the EDL are inclined to violence and the language of extremism.
  2. With no official membership the EDL leadership cannot positively guarantee that none of its loose collection of supporters are opposed to committing acts of terrorism. 

Seeing as the resentment they speak of is directed at Muslims and Lennon’s comment was in relation to a terrorist massacre by Anders Breivik, a Far Right extremist, it can only be taken as meaning that the EDL are suggesting Far Right atrocities if they aren’t listened too and their demands aren’t met. The EDL state that they are very keen to get in touch with people with a similar mentality as theirs around the world.

“The EDL is keen to join with others who share its values, wherever they are in the world, and from whatever cultural background they derive. It believes that the demand for sharia is global and therefore needs to be tackled at a global as well as national level, so that this demand will never be succumbed to. The EDL will therefore have an international outlook to enhance and strengthen its domestic efforts, while uniting many in a common struggle against a rising tide of Islamic intolerance towards western life, its customs, its cultures, its religions, its politics and its rule of law. The time for tolerating intolerance has come to an end, it’s time for the whole world to unite against a truly Global Jihad.” (EDL Mission Statement, 23rd January 2011)

The EDL has managed to join up with various Far Right extremist and terrorist groups and links between it and the Norwegian Far Right terrorist Anders Breivik appear to have been established. It categorises Islam in total as being against Western life, customs, cultures, religions, politics and law, a view shared by Far Right extremist Breivik.

“Far worse than failing to compete with non-Muslim Asians is failing to identify the threat from Islamic nations who want to subdue us and wipe out our entire civilisation. That is a failure we quite simply cannot live with.” (Breivik. A. B., ‘2083: A European Declaration of Independence’, 2011)

This is a fundamental belief that unites the Far Right in Europe, North America and Australasia. It is inconceivable that a non-Far Right movement would declare Islam as an enemy of Western civilization and openly state that Muslims are trying to take over. When the EDL said it would join with people who share its values, you have to question the values of a group who shares its values with a man like Anders Breivik.

5. Conclusion

What the EDL seek is a homogenous society with a single culture. The EDL believes that Islam is incompatible and is a threat to “English cultural values”, something they repeat a lot in both the FAQ thread and the Mission Statement, and therefore Islam must be banned and Muslims forced to abandon their religion or leave the UK. Lennon went further and stated that Muslims are a threat to the ‘white race’. References to the threat to English culture from foreign influences are legion and there are multiple mentions of wanting a culturally homogenous society, a typical example of fascism.

Other fascist-like behaviour within the EDL as a whole is the intimidation of unsympathetic media outlets, attacks on the meetings of political opponents, the desecration of places of worship for ideological reasons, the glorification of militarism and the obsession with the nation’s past military victories, violence as a political tool, the all-powerful leader with a personality cult, the referring to political opponents as ‘communists’ and their hatred of the Left, saying that anyone who disagrees with them is a ‘traitor’ to the nation (with fascism Party and State are one), the massive use of nationalistic imagery and holding ultra-nationalist beliefs, as well as rhetoric reminiscent of the Nazis (Jews substituted for Muslims).

Examples of fascist-sounding slogans include: “Patriotism isn’t racism, betraying your race is treason”, “One Country, One People, One Cause” and “One Nation, One Enemy, One Firm”.

The EDL releasing statements and mission statements saying they aren’t fascist makes no difference when their stated core beliefs are and so are their actions. Declaring they aren’t racist in their Mission Statement when their leader says that Muslim birth rates are a threat to continuing existence of the ‘white race’, is as meaningful as me releasing a statement to the effect of me being a purple carrot from the planet Mars called Eric. On 13th February 1945 Hitler declared “I promise you I am quite free of all racial hatred”, in his Political Testament. Releasing an official statement does not make lies turn into the truth.

Combined with the historical precedents and expert opinion, all this leaves no possibility of any other conclusion other than the EDL is fascist and therefore Far Right. 

Ed Woods

Jul 31, 201122 notes
#EDL #Far Right #Fascist

July 2011

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EDL leader demanded debate on killing David Cameron and archbishop → guardian.co.uk

When press catch up with online communities commited to exposing the EDL *smile*

Proscribe the EDL.

Jul 30, 20112 notes
#EDL #Alan Lake
http://politicalscrapbook.net/2011/07/edl-facebook-norway-breivik/ → politicalscrapbook.net
Jul 29, 2011
DIRTY. RICH. POLITICAL: HEY NAZIS, WHY SO SILENT??? → dirtyrichpolitical.tumblr.com

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Well, the Nazi brigade can sure dish it out, but as usual, just cannot take it.

It has been widely confirmed that Anders Behring Breivik, in his hate manifesto, cited and referenced radical bigots such as Pam Geller, Geert Wilders, and many contacts in the far right UK fringe group,…

Jul 29, 201116 notes
So funny → oneoffproductions102.tumblr.com

EDL hijacked by drug abusing, violent, fraudulent, far right (so sue me you c**ts) offender.

Ty Marcus x

Jul 29, 20111 note
Jul 29, 20112 notes
#EDL #Stephen Lennon #liar #Daryl Hobson #proscribe the EDL
In his rage against Muslims, Norway's killer was no loner → m.facebook.com

“Lower-level violence and intimidation continues unabated: last week on the day of the Norwegian massacre, in an entirely routine incident, a mosque in Luton was vandalised and spray-painted with a swastika and EDL slogan. The rise of Islamophobia in Europe and the US is the manipulated product of a toxic blend of economic insecurity, unprotected mass migration and the consequences of a decade of western-sponsored war in the Muslim world: from Afghanistan to Iraq, Pakistan to Libya.
It has become the new acceptable form of racism – far outstripping in opinion polls the level of hatred for any other religious or racial group, and embraced by those who delude themselves that anti-Muslim bigotry has nothing to do with ethnicity – and even represents some sort of defence of liberal values.”

Jul 29, 20111 note
“Tommy Robinson” on 3 counties radio 26/7/11

By Janie Jones.

We’ve been watching Stephen Lennon do his press rounds recently, he’s actually charging them now. Seriously…. Fifty quid a shot. Wowzers what a blagger. Who makes financial gain from the mass murder of children? Initial interviews seemed to go pretty well for him, I guess the pressure is off when you have no intention of answering any questions truthfully. It’s more an exercise in coming across as genuine which he fails at, but there you go. What has turned from a defensive necessity to negotiate the media to protect his organisation’s reputation to a financial and propaganda bonanza, probably means we should stop indulging the two bit football hooligan, coke head, cowboy builder of the world of activism. Perhaps give him enough airtime to hang himself? What follows is a transcript of an interview with Stephen Lennon on BBC 3 counties radio and our challenges as to the honesty of his responses. Remember just one BULLSHIT discredits the man as having any integrity:

interviewer will be I

“Tommy” will be T

I- David Cameron says that the government here is taking extremely seriously that AB may have links to far right groups in this country. The organisation who’s name has been most mentioned is the EDL, they say they had no official contact with them, Stephen Lennon is from Luton, he is also known as Tommy Robinson and he’s the leader of the EDL and joins us in the studio this morning, Stephen, thanks for coming in. and speaking to us this morning. Can I just start by asking have you ever met AB?

T- I haven’t. Can I just start by saying our deepest sympathies and prayers go out to all the victims of this horrific incident

I -did you know of AB before Friday?

T- I didn’t, no

I- but fellow supporters did of the EDL didn’t they according to Ab’s facebook 700, 600 EDL supporters

T-600 out of 100,000 followers on the internet so it doesn’t mean any of them have met em. They’re cyber friends on fb, I had 7,000 friends on fb. I only knew about 100 or so of them

I but 600 EDL supporters are his friends on facebook

T yeah they were

I so the EDL has got links hasn’t it to AB

T- when you say has got links I think its only speculation and opinions, opinions are like elbows, everyone’s got 2 , we need the facts, the facts are cos there has been this smear campaign and word association

I the facts are that 600 members of the EDL are his friends on facebook

Anders Behring Breivik’s last known posting about the EDL.

T the facts are on page 1438 of his document, he states that EDL are in fact anti racist, anti fascist and anti Nazi they have many members and leaders with no European backgrounds, Africans and Asians, the EDL and his group principals can never be reconciled as we are miles apart ideal idea log logi logigically the EDL harshly condemns any movement that uses terror as a tool such as mine, this is why myself view the EDL as naïve fools the edl is a democratic movement and they still believe that a democratic system can solve it’s problems. Does that sound like we had a good relationship in any sort of way?

I- previously, prior to that, brevik had, well he’s changed his mind obviously about your…

T- He’s changed his mind, and this is the most this is the latest thing, he’s changed his mind once he’s seen what we’re about we cond

I- but he has supported your organisation in the past hasn’t he

T- well we have the s.., we share an ide.. a part of an ideology that we believe that islam is a serious threat to Europe, we believe that Islam or extremists Mr Lennon?

I lets’ not talk about your ideology because we have heard about it many a time here on breakfast, what I want to talk to you about this morning is newsnight, last night on the BBC. You made an extraordinary claim that we are heading for attacks here that Norway has suffered on Friday in fact we can see them here, you said in five to ten years time.

T (at same time as I) to be honest I’ve ma… I’ve made that claim for years

I you said, five to ten years time

T- I’ve made that claim prior to this

I you’re planning for this then are you?

T- I’m not planning for it at all no, I condemn all acts of violence and extremism, what I am saying is if we don’t plan against this it will happen and god forbid we need that on our soil,

I- what leads you to believe it’s going to happen in the first place?

T- Because, when you live at a street level, like myself, you understand the anger and frustration that there is in our communities. There’s a lot of anger, there’s a lot of frustration. People are deeply concerned with Islam and by brushing it under the carpet, not just brushing it under the carpet, anyone opening their mouth being deemed a racist, we see our local politicians calling us well, there’s no evidence till it does happen. outsiders, there’s an alienation period going on with the working class community of this country and if they’re not careful they are going to create monsters, and in a democracy, when you are aggrieved by s…

I- Stephen

T- Yeah

I- Where’s your evidence?

T- where’s my evidence?

I- that this is going to happen in five to ten years time

T- well look what’s just happened in Norway, I said this before Norway

I- It doesn’t mean it’s going to happen here, where’s your evidence that it’s going to happen

T-

I then why are you saying things like this

T- I’m predicting its, I’m predicting

I- so this is your gut feeling

T- there’s an under current of anger

I do you not think that by saying things like this, this is what will stir it up in the first place?

T- no, I believe that by ignoring things like this, and not talking about things like this, we will allow it to happen and God forbid we want to prevent anything like that happening on British soil and to prevent it they need to start accepting that there is an elephant in the room ,its called Islam, let’s talk about it, lets not brush it under the carpet and pretend that everything is hunky dory and that Islam is not a religion..Islam is a religion of peace

I this is what you’re really good at isn’t it, the EDL, you preach intolerance yet you don’t want to take responsibility for the effect of the rhetoric on other people. That’s the definition of power without responsibility what you do is you light the touch power„, touch paper. You give people your opinions. You put them out there, these extreme far right views, and people run away with them.. they become too dangerous (Tommy speaks at same time as last part)

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T- which extreme far right views is that, and when you talk about intolerance, Islam is an intolerant religion towards all other faiths so

I what you do, is you preach your views to people and then when it becomes a little bit out of control, or a lot out of control as in this case, you wash your hands completely of all responsibility

T, well no, you’re completely wrong actually if you look at what we’ve done from day one, we have gone against extremism, we’ve promoted integration, we’ve promoted non non non, european members, non English members because that’s what makes up England. When I see England, I see black, I see white, I see brown , that is why that is what makes up the EDL movement

I are your supporters dangerous?

T- are our supporters dangerous? No, not any supporters I know are dangerous. It’s the same, its the same. When 7/7 happened

I Are you dangerous?

T when 7?7 happened, listen

I Stephen, listen, are you dangerous?

T- no I’m not dangerous at all.

I listen, we’re reporting in the news this morning that you’ve just been convicted of football hooliganism this week, and involved in a street brawl

T- I have been convicted of raising my arms in the air, and if you listen, if you read the Guardian website they actually say that the police officer was caught out lying on oath, in the last 12 months I have had my rights to go to football taken away, I have had my right to protest taken away

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-14278957

I but you have been convicted

Tyeah I’m appealing that, I have had my right to protest taken away and I have had all my money and finances taken away

I are your members dangerous, i’m going to show you a picture now, taken from the internet which is your EDL supporters

T- says who?

I- wearing EDL tops, holding guns up

T- and does anybody know who they are? Could be anyone

I- this is the thing, your preaching your views then you do step away from any real responsibility

T they could be anybody, if you look at what we’ve preached, we’ve preached non extremism, non violence, from day 1, that’s all we’ve ever done, we’ve condemned it we, in a democracy when you are angry you a go out on the street and you’re supposed to protest, that’s what you’re supposed to do, it’s your democratic right. That takes away, if that democratic right is taken away, when we come to Luton, which we have serious issues in Luton which we wanted to highlight, we came here, we peacefully protested in our thousands, yet we had politicians telling us we’re scum, they don’t want us, these are dangerous times when there treading on these times and try to take people’s rights away from them, I have had my democratic right to protest taken away from me, as have many of our members

I- as the EDL do you no longer know who you are?

T- yeah we know who we are, yeah

I you are a far right winged

T- ok so what far right about the EDL? No, can you answer

I your so called

Tno, can you answer, you just called me far right answer the question

I the so called link between breivik and EDL is something that you are now severely (unintelligible) about.

I- which link? The link where he calls us naïve fools? That link

I but he was one of your supporters

T- clearly not, naïve fools, he says we are ideologically miles apart, now can you explain to me what is far right, you’ve just called us far right on the radio, explain to me what is far right about the EDL You’re not .. explain to me what’s far right

I- you preach , what you preach in your views Is not…

T -against homophobia , against anti Semitism, tell me which part is far right, just explain to me which part is far right

I- what you preach in your views

T- which part, you’re not going be able to answer because we are not a far right organisation

I- I’m going to

T- well go on then

I what you preach in your views is far right

T- like what

I because what you go around preaching

T- like what, like what?

T- well, no, you haven’t got an answer cos we’re not far right. That’s it, you can keep labelling us far right on the radio and the media, if you come out and tell the truth we’re not even far right. There’s nothing far right about standing up for women’s rights, there is nothing far right about standing up for our culture

I what your group does is it preaches against a recognised global religion

T- no its not a glo.. is it a religion when you get the death penalty for leaving it? See in my mind that’s an ideology that that’s a cult and the Italian government has come out and said, this is not a religion this is an ideology and across Europe you will see all politicians coming out and explaining it, it’s not, its an ideology that is masquerading as a religion, I am glad you have just confirmed that there is nothing far right about our organisation.

I- do you worry that a minority of your supporters might go too far?

T- no the biggest worry to me and this country is a minority within the Islamic faith, that’s the biggest worry, lets not pretend that the biggest worry is any far right organisation the EDL have never committed any acts of violence, we have never blown anything up,

http://exposingon.tumblr.com/post/4160147694/english-defence-league-activist-charged-with-arson

we have never bombed anyone, killed anyone or maimed anyone. That has only happened on our soil by the religion of so called peace

I – Stephen. Many thanks for talking to us this morning.

Huge thanks to everyone who helped find screenies.

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Jul 27, 20111 note
#EDL #EDL Chelmsley wood division
EDL’s Lake: Norway massacre is ‘chickens come home to roost’

EDL’s Lake: Norway massacre is ‘chickens come home to roost’

http://uaf.org.uk/2011/07/edl-funder-alan-lake-calls-norway-massacre-chickens-come-home-to-roost/

Jul 27, 20111 note
LIAR !!!

Lennon with the Hobson

Over the past few of days alleged EDL member Daryl Hobson’s name has been mentioned in various media outlets in connection to claims that the Norwegian terrorist, Anders Behring Breivik, met members of the English Defence League and visited the UK in 2010 to take part in EDL demonstrations.

Viewers of last night’s BBC flagship programme “Newsnight” will have seen EDL leader Stephen Lennon (aka Tommy Robinson) tell the interviewer Jeremy Paxman, that he (Lennon), did not know who Daryl Hobson was and that Hobson was merely a “random” member of the EDL’s Facebook group.

Lennon made a number of other claims that the BBC decided not to challenge.

Well, pictured above is a photograph of Lennon with the Hobson himself. Yes, the “random” and allegedly unknown to Lennon, Daryl Hobson.

Lennon is reported to be charging sections of the media £50 for an interview. Let’s hope it is on a sale or return agreement. Based on this evidence, he is selling faulty merchandise.

Shame!!

http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/blog/article/1303/liar

Jul 27, 20112 notes
The BBC continue to normalise a hateful narrative → ft.com

if this had been carried out by a Muslim attacker, or any person with brown skin, we would currently be witnessing a media frenzy of racist and xenophobic propaganda.  Because Breivik is a white, Christian, European man, only the individual, and not those elements of his identity, is blamed.

Jul 26, 20113 notes
Norway killer Anders Behring Breivik had extensive links to English Defence League → telegraph.co.uk

“The EDL had stated on its website that it had no links to Breivik. Stephen Lennon, the leader of the group, was unavailable for comment on the claims, but the EDL said journalists could attend a press conference with him on Tuesday if they paid a £50 fee.”

Pay a £50 fee? just wow

Jul 26, 20112 notes
Jul 26, 20113 notes
#edl #stephen lennon #charging press #oslo terrorist attack #what a c@!t #proscribe the edl
There are no buts... → unitedshades.org.uk

Every time Stephen Lennon condemns the Norwegian terror attacks in the media and then adds ‘but…..’ think what that ‘but’ signifies. But what? To me it signifies justification.

Jul 26, 20111 note
European politicians risk similar atrocities if they dont start addressing “the fucking elephant in the room.” says EDL Leader → newyorker.com

Yes Tommy, they do while people like you are afforded the right to peddle your ignorant filth. Tommy is great at his veiled ‘im not saying its right but…..’ when asked his views on the use of violence to further his message. Back in our real world there is nothing ‘predictable’ about the slaughter of young adults Tommy you fucking freak.

Proscribe the EDL

Jul 25, 2011
Home grown Breivik to be?

By Hazel Zebulon

In January 2010, the News of the World published an expose on Birmingham based (at the time) Anthony Phipps, a BNP member, now Regional Organiser of the Chelmsley Wood Division of the English Defence League.

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A soldier in Prince Charles’ regiment, he was exposed as a Nazi fan and BNP supporter and his affiliation to the EDL came shortly afterwards.

The paper showed pictures Anthony Phipps uploaded onto his Facebook account, proudly showing off his Nazi tattoo and pictures of swastikas. Another snap added to the page was a red-on-black Nazi Party crest complete with a swastika at the bottom.

In one of them, he and some friends were seen making Sieg Heil gestures.

Another picture shows a tattoo featuring a Nazi Party-style eagle standing on top of a St George Cross. Phipps makes clear his racist beliefs by stating his political views are “BNP”.

After the article was published, the press began reporting that Anthony Phipps had gone AWOL and was being hunted by Military Police – who following the article, had raided an address in the West Midlands.

An MoD spokesman at the time, when asked, said “The Army does not tolerate racist behaviour and those who are found to fall short of the Army’s high standards will be dealt with appropriately.”

A senior military source said: “Being a multi-cultural unit, we are horrified and appalled. There is a lot of anger about the shame he has brought upon us all…He’s not fit to wear the uniform”

He added: “Phipps was a bit of a loner. He could not be trusted and would always take the easy option.”

Hall Green Labour MP Steve McCabe said: “Membership of the BNP is inconsistent with the values of the British Armed Forces.

“Army personnel are supposed to uphold the values of the Crown and the BNP’s views conflict with those.”

The frontline infantry soldier served in 3 Mercian Regiment (Staffs), whose Colonel in Chief is Prince Charles and lists his political beliefs as: “BNP. i.e. Pride, Power and Patriotism. No surrender, EVER.”

He even set up his own Facebook group in early 2009 asking pals if they would vote for him if he ran for the racist party.

In February 2010, the Birmingham Mail reported that Anthony Phipps, was thought to have been absent without leave after claiming he felt “too threatened” to return to his barracks.

He told the Mail he planned to hand himself over to the authorities, but was still on the run, with his family claiming he has had a breakdown. The Ministry of Defence said he was likely to be thrown out of the Army when he was captured.

His being on the run, didn’t include a low profile and he was caught on camera celebrating Aston Villa’s Carling Cup semi-final win over Blackburn Rovers on the Villa Park pitch and his picture slapped on the front page.

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He then changed his mind about giving himself up

Despite criticism of his political views (and his tattoos and seig heils and Facebook postings…), Phipps insisted: “I’m not a racist or a Nazi.”

Finally in April 2010, he was captured by Police and he was found just miles from where he grew up.

All was quiet as the MOD continued their investigations into ‘Phippsy’ and he eventually was made to leave.

Phippsy got bored within the space of a month and together with Daniel Dodd, decided to set up a ‘political party’ “Phipps and Dodd for UK”

http://phippsanddoddforuk.webnode.com/

From their website -

“Our main priority is to start putting the Pride, Patriotism and Safety back into all of our communities.

Once we have seats in the government we will withdraw from the European Union (EU) and win back our right for democratic self-governance.

We will 100% pull our Heroes out of Iraq and Afganistan! This is not our war!

We want to close and lock the door to bogus asylum seekers who pass through other countries to get to Soft Touch Britain, We will deport those already here!

We will put a halt on the creeping Islamification of Britain which is supported by all other parties bar BNP. NO MORE MOSQUES, SHARIA LAW, or ISLAMIC PROPAGANDA in the classrooms and on our streets. Our nation, Our rules! Stick to them or we will personally book you a flight home!

We’ll keep out foreign labour which takes away jobs and undercuts the wages of British workers! All construction contracts in the UK must go to British firms, Using British labour at fair rates of pay.

Deportation of Foreign criminals is a must - Our nation has enough homegrown vermin, without acting as the worlds dustbin aswell !

Chemical castration for rapists and paedophiles. The rights for our future generations are far more important than the ‘rights’ of criminal perverts! We also want restoration of the death penalty for premeditated murder if the conviction has been supported by both DNA and other evidence.

We could go on all day and tell you our aims but if you wish to know more then contact us or ask us on our blog page.

If you choose not to join our revolution then no worries, you are free to make your own decisions. We beg you to atleast use the Pride and Courage we Brits were gifted, Say no to racism, Say yes to Celebrating our Proud Nation, you have freedom of speech so use it and have your say, Mainly….. Fly your ENGLISH, SCOTTISH, WELSH and IRISH flags in the faces of our enemies, WITH PRIDE!

T-Shirts, Flags and wristbands are soon to be available, all proceeds go to Help For Heroes. Grab them while you can, ready for our marches through your cities working hand in hand with the English Defence League!

We stress that we are NOT a racist party, Racism is a 100% no go, it is not welcome and will not be tolerated!

Click on Contact Details for info on how to become a member of Phipps & Dodd for UK.

Phipps and Dodd ca’nt fight the modern Battle For Britain on our own, but by the grace of god, We will die trying!

The Lion Has Awoken !

1 BRITAIN, FOREVOR OUR BRITAIN

NO SURRENDER

Mr A Phipps and Mr D Dodd

Phipps & Dodd For UK”

Such a shame he couldn’t practice what he preached

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In the meantime, back at the ranch, in February 2011, The Daily Star published a series of photographs stating that they could blow apart the English Defence League’s claim to non-violence as the hooded, gun-toting men pose in front of flags bearing the name and No Surrender slogan of the outlawed Ulster Volunteer Force. These photographs came from a set published by the EDL’s Birmingham Division.

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No names were mentioned, but the EDL members howled “they’re photoshopped, it’s a set up, they’re fake pics” what have these got to do with the EDL” “the left wing media are trying to bias people against us” The usual EDL rants when confronted with anything which makes them look bad (have they done anything that makes them look good I wonder?)

Luckily, we at Expose and other helpful activists can elaborate – and present you the viewing public with a few more pics in detail.

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You’re not in the army anymore and you’re not at war Phippsy

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familiar looking memorabilia, no?

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pledge of allegiance to what exactly? I rather like the cut off “NO TO RAC[ISM] text on the EDL flag when compared to Phippsy’s “vermin muzrat paki cunts” screenshot.

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familiar face on the bottom right? Oh yes he was the one doing the nazi salute! Goes by the name Hatchet, real name… Phil

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John Wright English and Anthony Phipps – what? no masks to hide your identity this time boys?

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because we all have stolen equipment from the MOD in our houses. It’s perfectly normal.

EDL members regarding Breivik “it means nothing that he had over 100 EDL friends and went to EDL rallies and was inspired by the EDL - he’s nothing to do with us” I can happily say none of my friends have gone on a killing spree. They don’t have that luxury any more and to make it worse, they not only did nothing to stop it, they actively encouraged the hate, igorance and violence. Maybe they need to look over their shoulders at their next ‘protest’ and wonder which one of them is next to flip?

With thanks to the Birmingham Mail, the ex-News of the World, The Daily Star, Exposing and…

Jul 25, 201116 notes
#Anthony Phillips #BNP #EDL #EDL Chelmsley wood division #Neo Nazi #3 mercian regt
UK To Tighten Scrutiny Of Far-Right Groups
UK To Tighten Scrutiny Of Far-Right Groups

http://www.nasdaq.com/aspx/stock-market-news-story.aspx?storyid=201107250805dowjonesdjonline000141&title=uk-to-tighten-scrutiny-of-far-right-groups

Jul 25, 20114 notes
EDL founder Stephen Lennon 'led fans' in fight in Luton
EDL founder Stephen Lennon ‘led fans’ in fight in Luton


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-14278957

And this man is trying to convince the press he runs a peaceful organisation. unfuckingbelievable.

Proscribe the EDL, It’s run by a violent offender ffs.

Jul 25, 2011
#EDL #stephen lennon arrested #submission
I love you. Keep it up.

Thank you so much, I’ll pass on your message to the gang x

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