Quite a lot has happened since the last entry. The tragic murder of Drummer Lee Rigby has set a series of events in motion, to whit a series of apparent “revenge” attacks. Well revenge as in “Let’s go and attack properties owned by people of the same religion”. Idiocy in other words. There have been hundreds of attacks on Muslims and several on mosques. On 5th June the Bravanese Welfare Centre was actually burnt to the ground in Muswell Hill, with the letters “EDL” being painted on a wall. This elicited a response from elements sympathetic to the EDL that it simply couldn’t be them.
This is without doubt one of the most ludicrous and convoluted pieces of reasoning I’ve ever encountered. Seriously. Oh yes, if someone writes “EDL” on a mosque and burns it down, it can’t be the Muslim-hating EDL who talk all the time about burning mosques. No, it must be the UAF who spend their time defending Muslims! That’s logical?
The lunacy abounds on there.
But it must surely be very unlikely that anyone deliberately setting the property on fire would advertise their identity in such a way. It is much more reasonable to conclude that the graffiti and the fire are unrelated, as we must be sure the police will thoroughly determine in their own investigations.
You mean like how someone who tried to behead and disembowel someone else in the street wouldn’t hang around at the scene of the crime, talk to passers by and give a recorded speech? No-one from a group that sings songs about how they want to burn mosques, a group that has seen hundreds of posts on Facebook calling for mosques to be burned, would actually burn one down and then brag about it? I don’t think so.
Think about the burning of mosques this way. If there was a Facebook group of several thousand paedophiles sharing their fantasies about what they’d want to do to children on a daily basis, would you bet against one or more of them eventually carrying out those fantasies?
When attacks on mosques have happened in the past the EDL and their ilk have gloated like mad. In the case of Hanley Mosque one of the real arsonists, Simon Beech, went on Facebook and heaped praise on some innocent people who were arrested in relation to the arson. That’s what it’s all about really: no desire for individual responsibility. After all they don’t want to go to prison for years, but they still want credit to go to their organisation, so claim group responsibility. Compare how the IRA, ETA and similar groups never name the specific individuals involved in terrorist attacks.
I often think that the far-Right and their sympathisers declare “there is no evidence” having spent exactly zero seconds looking for said evidence.
There appears to be no evidence that the EDL has been associated with any violent acts against mosques, and it is most unlikely indeed that this latest fire could be traced back to an EDL member.
“Appears to be no evidence”, meaning that there is evidence but you didn’t look for it.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-stoke-staffordshire-16098897 Simon Beech: EDL supporter and mosque arsonist.
Geoffrey Ryan: EDL supporter and mosque attacker.
This is the funniest bit though, where the author manages to contradict their own criteria for proof of guilt!
But we can easily imagine a lone UAF sympathiser deciding that this would be a great way of hitting the EDL. We know that UAF members and sympathisers are not afraid to be violent in pursuit of their cause.
But, to paraphrase something they’ve already said, “there appears to be no evidence that the UAF has been associated with any violent acts against mosques”.
Equally the EDL “are not afraid to be violent in pursuit of their cause”.
Err, looks like they didn’t think this argument through! I’m sure you can easily imagine all sorts of things mate; your imagination seems to be wild enough. I’m surprised they haven’t said an Islamic dragon burnt it down.
But we can easily imagine a lone dragon deciding that this would be a great way of hitting the EDL. We know that dragons are not afraid to be violent in pursuit of their cause. We need St. George to defend us from these dragons.
The denial extends to the EDL leadership. Kev Carroll told Sky News: http://news.sky.com/story/1100058/islamic-centre-fire-muslims-need-protection
The EDL do not approve of any religious buildings being attacked.
This is the same Kev Carroll who actually was going to occupy a mosque in London, when him and over 50 other members of the EDL wearing balaclavas were arrested in removal vans en route. Is storming a mosque not an attack on a religious building?
Elsewhere, Stephen Lennon had this to say in the Independent.
The EDL’s leader Tommy Robinson said he doubted any members of the group were behind the graffiti but condemned the attack. “I may be proved wrong, but EDL graffiti gets used for a lot of things,” he said. “I’m always sceptical.”
Asked if he would report any of his members, he said: “I would, they have put innocent people’s lives in danger. It’s disgusting. I’ve asked our members never to attack mosques or Muslims. The police will find out who has done that and they will be rightly punished.”
Ah, but he infamously said these words too didn’t he?
“The reason why we stand here today in front of the world’s media, in front of England’s media, is we want to let the whole of England know, we want to let the whole of the world know, when Islamic demographics rule your community, this is what comes with it! Aggression, oppression, violence, intimidation. Islam….Islam rules by intimidation and violence, and as I’ve said we are here today to tell you quite loud, quite clear, every single Muslim watching this on YouTube: on 7/7 you got away with killing and maiming British citizens, you got away with it. Next time you think about it you’d better understand that we have built a network from one end of this country to the other end. We will not tolerate it and the Islamic community will feel the full force of the English Defence League if we see any of our citizens killed, maimed or hurt on British soil ever again.”
“…the Islamic community will feel the full force of the English Defence League if we see any of our citizens killed, maimed or hurt on British soil ever again.”
Lee Rigby has now been killed by what are apparently Islamic extremists and attacks on Muslim communities such as the Muswell Hill attack have now happened suit. In one case at least that has been by an EDL supporter. Are we to believe what he tells the newspapers?