This blog entry all started with a picture on the EDL’s main page….it’s a doctored quote.
Being called racist or fascist makes the EDL squirm
The English Defence League are quite vocal about what they say they aren’t, i.e. racists and Nazis. They really hate being called that, but the trouble is they keep contradicting this.
Their defences consist of:
1. Islam’s not a race. However Judaism not being a race never stopped Hitler and “Muslim” is a euphemism for “Pakistani” in any case.
2. “We’re not Nazis, we’re patriots/nationalists!” The Nazis were both extremely patriotic and extremely nationalistic.
3. “Our grandfathers fought the Nazis!” So what? You aren’t your grandfathers and Nazism or opposition to it isn’t a genetically inherited condition. If it was most Germans would be Nazis!
4. They’ll say the Mission Statement says they’re not racist. That would be the Mission Statement that they themselves wrote. Like if ISIS had a mission statement saying they weren’t violent….
5. They’ll claim that Islam and Nazism/fascism are the same ideology and that Muslims are the real Nazis, despite the fact that one is extremely nationalistic and centres on a single culture and race; whereas the other ignores national borders and is multicultural and multi-ethnic. Thus they attempt to do a bit of role reversal and have you believe that the religious minority that the far right extremists want to wipe out, are the real Nazis.
6. They’ll claim racism is a “made up word” and therefore carries no meaning. Here’s news: all words are made up and that’s pretty much an admission that their behaviour is racist.
7. In a couple of incidents - Tommy Robinson for one - the EDL have even claimed that fascism ceased to exist in 1945.
Their excuses are so ludicrous and vocal they merely add fuel to the fire.
The EDL forget the script
And when they forget it, man do they forget it! We are well accustomed to seeing the EDL write and say things that are totally racist and then then deny they ever said such things.
The EDL’s history of the Second World War
The EDL basically either don’t know history or don’t get the lessons of history. Their account of Nazism contains elements of the following.
We fought the Nazis in both world wars; Hitler allied himself with Islam (i.e. all Muslims); no Muslims fought for the Allies; if any Muslims fought for the Allies they were either forced to or were defending Mecca; the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem was a close friend of Hitler’s and invented the Final Solution/gas chambers; the SS Handschar Division was their most feared division and killed most of the Jews in Yugoslavia; if your grandparents fought fascists that means your immune to becoming one yourself; the Muslims are worse than the Nazis; Hitler was a decent leader but he should’ve killed the Muslims instead of the Jews; Hitler would’ve been all right if he hadn’t have gone to war with us; it’s a shame the Nazis lost because there’d be no “ethnics”/Muslims in Britain now; we need a man like Hitler now; send the Muslims to the gas chambers.
The above paragraph is total bollocks
A lot of the above is morally wrong. As for the factual inaccuracies, well obviously we only fought the Nazis in WW2. Then there’s the Grand Mufti, who only met Hitler once briefly in Berlin, was not influential on Nazi policy, the Final Solution was arrived at at the Wannsee Conference at which the Mufti wasn’t present, Hitler viewed the Arabs as “painted half-apes”, the Nazis had already killed hundreds of thousands of Jews and had started using Zyklon B gas in August 1941 before the Grand Mufti arrived in Berlin in November 1941, and the crematoria were designed by Topf & Sons. He may have not opposed the Final Solution, but it would be silly to suggest that the Nazis actually required encouragement. The total number of Muslims in the SS barely got over 2% of its total strength, the SS’s Muslim divisions suffered from high levels of desertion, and it was the Catholic Croatian Ustaše (Croatian Nazis) who ran the death camps in Yugoslavia and slaughtered hundreds of thousands of people, including Jews, Serbs, Gypsies and Muslims.
The Axis forces never threatened Mecca and the Indian Army, of which 800,000 out of 2.5 million soldiers were Muslims, was a 100% volunteer army.
Yes, indeed, the EDL know fuck all about the Second World War, apart from a few scant details that they have wildly elaborated on or reinterpreted.
No, scratch that. I’m crediting them with too much intelligence.
The EDL know fuck all about the Second World War, apart from a few scant details that other people have wildly elaborated on or reinterpreted for them. They combine a lack of critical thinking ability with ignorance and a penchant for believing any bullshit that suits them.
Deep down the EDL know they’re like Nazis, but want to distance themselves from them
So they invent all sorts of stupid reasons as to why they aren’t, but at the same time let slip Nazi-like things about genocide, subhumans, etc. Well either that or they must be the stupidest fuckers who ever drew breath.
Without further ado….
Here is the above put into practice.
A screen-cap for when the admins pull the thread.
Their latest trick is to pretend Hitler himself was in fact a Muslim! A fine collection of Hitler-licking, conspiracy theories and utter nonsense it is too!
What he actually said is on page 65 of Mein Kampf.
If, with the help of his Marxist creed, the Jew is victorious over the other peoples of the world, his crown will be the funeral wreath of humanity and this planet will, as it did thousands of years ago, move through the ether devoid of men.
Eternal Nature inexorably avenges the infringement of her commands.
Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.
Yep, the same Marxists the EDL are always say run the country. In fact the very same Marxists the British far right have always claimed to be a Jewish conspiracy. Now Muslims are Enemy Number One and not the Jews, Marxism is part of some sort of Muslim plot to take over. Coincidence? Not bloody likely!
Now we have some examples of pure EDL bigotry, Hitler-licking and pure paranoid lunacy from the above thread.
I’m not a Nazi, but….
Ooh, Luke doesn’t take criticism well!
Not holding back there, are you Elliot Felski?
See, Hitler’s only vice was killing Jews and that was down to him being a failed artist! Him being a violent dictator, killing millions of other people and starting a world war was OK.
Ah, so him killing Jews was OK, but being over-ambitious when it came to enemies wasn’t?
"Do some research" means "Read the same bullshit theories I did"
That’s funny; Islam’s only been around 1400 years and Israel 66 years.
Nazism and Islam are the same, the Kingdom of Israel never ended, we’re all descended from Jews, the Nazis didn’t want world domination, and Richard Müller appears to be saying that there’s some sort of secret truth about the Nazis that we are discouraged from knowing about.
Hitler was a kind, humble human being who did what he thought was right, was betrayed by his closest friends and has been slandered after his death. Aw, bless! He had no slaves? WTF!?
I’m not exactly sure what that says. Something about Hitler having a point: which point would that be?
I thought they weren’t a race? Make your minds up!
How dare you call Mr. Hitler a Muslim! If he were around today he’d be very old indeed.
Mein Kampf is a great bedtime read
The Bromberg Massacre (now Bydgoszcz) happened on 3rd September 1939 (i.e. after the invasion), when retreating Polish troops were fired on by German agents and irregulars. The Nazis used it as propaganda of “Polish barbarism”. He owns a copy of the Nazi bible, regurgitates Nazi propaganda and thinks it’s a shame the Nazis didn’t win the war: what do we think he is?
Yeah, because Waterstone’s probably reckoned you’re a neo-Nazi. Weren’t wearing an EDL hoodie when you asked, were you?
History isn’t our strong point
Muslims were allied to Hitler in the two world wars? Or is that a weird abbreviation of Second World War? If it’s the latter it’s broadly correct, however both of them ignore that Hitler was allied to many different non-Muslims and Muslims fought against Hitler.
He briefly met Hitler once, the Grand Mufti didn’t help Hitler kill thousands of Jews, and his real motivation was his opposition to British rule in Palestine and Zionism. His anti-Semitism is only relevant from the point of view that he sided with Hitler, as other anti-Semites put their nations’ interests first when their countries declared war on Germany. Everyone except Elvis Dali thinks the fake quote is real.
Hitler “liberated” Poland and Poland hardly fired a shot? That would be why the Poles held out for a month, the Germans committed atrocities against civilians and bombed Warsaw, and the Poles carried on fighting underground in huge numbers until the Red Army arrived in 1944. Hitler was taking back what had been “stolen” from Germany? Holland, Belgium, Denmark, Norway, Luxembourg, Greece, Yugoslavia: none had territory taken from Germany after WWI. “Jew” history books? Russia needed invading because of the Bolsheviks? European countries presumably wanted to be occupied so much that they were happy to work as slave labour and be subject to genocide. More Nazi propaganda about the Polish military shooting down German civilian aeroplanes.
We’ll believe any picture with a quote attributed to a famous person
Yep, some people are quite happy to believe dodgy quotes without bothering to check them up.
Just plain weird!
The Astors were Christians of German extraction, the Rockefellers were Protestants with German, English and Scots-Irish roots. The Manhattan Project did not use captured Nazi scientists and….well…I think the rest comes from watching too many films!